Chops
Soccer Dad
Hell yes. Have some self respect.
Xpoff can que bgs now. What 29 twink you making?
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YouMayBeSeated
Member
You can’t get into BG’s at those levels. The whole purpose of twinking is to run low level Pvp. 29 is about to explode in population and I’ll be gearing one this evening.
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Really? You think fully subbed accounts are going to intentionally crutch themselves? I think everyone saying they will stay 20 is gonna get a massive wake up call and join the 29’s within the end of the month. It’s like a college baseball player using a wooden bat for self respect.
fungchewuchi
Master of the Flying Guillotine
29s'll be a flash in the pan.
I'm sticking w my 50s.
I'm sticking w my 50s.
Aladdam
New Member
I twink at 49, and I can confirm I am lonely.
Chops
Soccer Dad
Youre new so let me just tell you that no... we wont. This isnt the first time 20s have been in bgs with twinks at the top level of the bracket. We stayed 20 because of the unique nature of playing with starter account restrictions, not because its always the most competitive in pvp. Hell we stayed 20 when we didnt even have access to enchants.
The only folks going to 29 are the baby BFA/SL twinks who are only here now because it was the only way to get ques for a couple years.
YouMayBeSeated
Member
Exactly how does playing the “Only” way to get queues make one a baby? Also why is there so much hostility and anger towards those who want to be the strongest they can be in said bracket… I’ve been twinking since OG WOTLK and Cata days and for me twinking has always been and always will be about making my toon the strongest toon possible in a BG bracket. Just happens right now that’s at 29.
Zemmix
A.B.C.
It's because you're missing the entire reason why people play F2P 20s. It's different in nature, in many ways, than 19s/29s/etc. F2P isn't just because it's free, nor is it just because it's fast queues. The unique set of restrictions and circumstances you have to play with to min/max and see what you can do provides a different way of playing. It's adversity by intention, and the appeal to many is just that. I've always felt that the F2P community was much more akin to the 60s and 70s communities during WoTLK-Cata ish (And to an extent, 1s in WoTLK/BC/WoTLK, where it incorporated a focus on more than just PVP and being as imbalanced and OP as possible.
What you are talking about, is basically making maxed out toons at a bracket for peak performance with a focus only on dominating a bracket while choosing brackets that have fast queues and large populations of twinks. There isn't anything wrong with this, and many of us also (either now or in the past) play other brackets like this.
To put simply, 29s and F2P are apples and oranges. They may both be in the same basket (bracket), but they both are appealing for different reasons. That's okay, play what you want.
Chops
Soccer Dad
Baby in age, not temperament. Though, you'll find they do tend to overlap
If you've been twinking since the "OG Days of Cata" then surely you're familiar with the history of the 20s bracket and the ensuing animosity from F2P towards 29s (and 24s). Its not about hating on other twinks. I dont dislike 19s or 39s, for example. And honestly, I'm a little excited to see old 70s roll out their GF'd 27s. I think those toons are cool.
Its specifically directed at 29s because they specifically only exist as a bracket when there's F2Ps to farm. "oh I just love 29s!" is the "Ive been a hunter main since vanilla" of bracket selection.
JadeFire
Worthless
I would not even give one second thought to true Free To Play... those guys know full well what they got into and that entire "life style" is about a monumental machoistic hell grind and not about being top tier... they all knew it... they just got lucky in SL and they were sort of on par with normal twinks.
Zemmix
A.B.C.
*stares lovingly at former 70 Resto druid and warrior that are now 27 with heaps of gear*
May you awaken to fight when the time is right, not a moment sooner.
Well, I did cut my teeth on MMOs with Korean grindfests.
YouMayBeSeated
Member
If I’m being 100% honest 29 has never been a level I’ve twinked at… I’ve only ever done 10, 14 (back in 10-14 brackets) and 19… if the full game was merged queues I would only do 19. Sad truth is right now, as Chops stated, 29 is literally the only way someone who has a paying subscription can Pvp as a twink. I just don’t understand the hostility some people are showing towards the 29s. The anger should be towards blizzard if there is any anger at all. I think the entire game should be merged queues and they should fix the brackets to be 10-20, 21-30, 31-40, etc… so that F2P players get a better taste of what endgame is by having their cap be the highest level of the bracket their capped into.
JadeFire
Worthless
*stares lovingly at former 70 Resto druid and warrior that are now 27 with heaps of gear*
May you awaken to fight when the time is right, not a moment sooner.
Well, I did cut my teeth on MMOs with Korean grindfests.
I will say I do admire the true F2Ps that go all out (I don't mean someone with some half assed bag/satchel gear), even if I tried it myself and wanted to jump out of the window and have my head smash into a car windshield 3 stories down. You do have to at least respect that grind.
Zemmix
A.B.C.
Oh, for sure. We all get irked at Blizzard.
I'm not trying to be hostile so much to people about it, as much as I am the attitude "lol goin 29 to wrek nub f2ps ezpz". You just want to play an active bracket, and top out some toons and PVP. It's cool, I'm not hating on that. It's not the 29s in general, it's just a certain group of individuals with an irritating mindset.
All in all, we may play different and different brackets, but we all just want to have a good time.
Yeah, for sure. It's rough! I had a sweet super geared rogue that I played for years on F2P as, but one drunken night I ended up boosting and leveling that - ruining it all. Now that toon sits on an account that's never used, a shell of the past. Then I started fresh in 2018 and re-geared up the warrior that's in my sig on a fresh account, geared it up pretty decently and got back into the F2P scene once more. And then 20s became 10s with the level squish, and I got super lazy and stopped playing 20s again until recently...As in a week ago. And now, we get this change! Oi vey.
YouMayBeSeated
Member
I played from WOTLK-Cata, took a long break from wow, played a little BFA and then quit and returned 3 months ago. I’ve never twinked in the 20-29 bracket once in my life so I’m unaware of former animosity. No matter the history it’s unjustified imo. From a financial stand point, it should motivate a handful of F2P players to sub. Idk if that’s blizzards intention though, just speculation. If that’s not the intention, they should fix the brackets and have the level cap for each level end in 0 instead of 9 to make 20 the peak level for the first bracket.
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
Why not? Are you too poor to afford a 2nd account? Ask your parents for a higher allowance.
Well thats your own stupid fault.
Go make your 29 retard, im not trying to stop you.
Jesus christ, youre a dumb one arent you.
Chops
Soccer Dad
Lemme let you in on another secret. Every F2P on this forum has subbed accounts. Even those that claim they dont
The appeal of F2P is not and never was that F2P is strong in pvp. It just worked out that way in SL. F2Ps are largely a pve twinking experience and outside of a dedicated few, there wasnt a whole lot of random BG activity from them (Folks organized a lot of arenas though because they used to not have enchants and well, that made arenas really fun)
So no. We're not going to "just sub". Mostly because we already have an account (or 2 or 3) with subs. But also because "being the strongest we can be in pvp" is not something any of us are really interested in. We enjoy pvp on our 20s that are appealling for reasons that arent pvp.
I just think 29s, who only exist when there are F2Ps to farm, are pathetic.
Zemmix
A.B.C.
Heck, I have like 5 or 6.Lemme let you in on another secret. Every F2P on this forum has subbed accounts. Even those that claim they dont
The appeal of F2P is not and never was that F2P is strong in pvp. It just worked out that way in SL. F2Ps are largely a pve twinking experience and outside of a dedicated few, there wasnt a whole lot of random BG activity from them (Folks organized a lot of arenas though because they used to not have enchants and well, that made arenas really fun)
So no. We're not going to "just sub". Mostly because we already have an account (or 2 or 3) with subs. But also because "being the strongest we can be in pvp" is not something any of us are really interested in. We enjoy pvp on our 20s that are appealling for reasons that arent pvp.
I just think 29s, who only exist when there are F2Ps to farm, are pathetic.
I just rarely have more than one active at a time - it gets too distracting lol.
JadeFire
Worthless
If you look at the numbers the 29 is not that much better... at least not on the non-S tier classes... its not like Templars verdict does 4k instead of 1k. Sure there are some goofy weapons. Seems like to much of a hassle in my book, but outside of some nut job wanting to just make a 1 shot hunter, not that big of a deal. After seeing the raid gear is not needed its a little tempting, but meh.
YouMayBeSeated
Member
Lemme let you in on another secret. Every F2P on this forum has subbed accounts. Even those that claim they dont
The appeal of F2P is not and never was that F2P is strong in pvp. It just worked out that way in SL. F2Ps are largely a pve twinking experience and outside of a dedicated few, there wasnt a whole lot of random BG activity from them (Folks organized a lot of arenas though because they used to not have enchants and well, that made arenas really fun)
So no. We're not going to "just sub". Mostly because we already have an account (or 2 or 3) with subs. But also because "being the strongest we can be in pvp" is not something any of us are really interested in. We enjoy pvp on our 20s that are appealling for reasons that arent pvp.
I just think 29s, who only exist when there are F2Ps to farm, are pathetic.
I agree if someone’s sole purpose is to farm F2P players, they are scum. However, with 20-29 being the only bracket to get queues to pop with exp eliminated, there is no choice. It’s an unintended consequence. I pray they open all the queues up so I can go back to 19.
Currently I’ve been making 10’s and 15’s for PVE twinking and it’s been a blast. I don’t think I would enjoy 20 for PVE. I like the busted 10’s I hope they fix the brackets in a way that benefit all of us.