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[Donteventrii]

You act like you stand a chance to win against the almighty Bracket Master Kunz in a 10v10 environment without the use of consumables.

Exactly. That's why I crafted a dodge of most epic proportions on Sunday.

 

[Ohai]

You act like you stand a chance to win against the almighty Bracket Master Kunz in a 10v10 environment without the use of consumables.

Has Kunz and friends premaded as 10 before? If I'd be surprised if a pick-up game of horde could coherently beat an experienced team, even in the first half dozen games.

What can I say, I'm not an eternal optimist like Dont.

 

[rubikz]

old school iron grenades were actually one of the better mechanics invented in wow

lumping "consumables" into one big category or making statements like "i think all consumables add a lot of skill and diversity to the game" is retarded

there is a big difference between aiming iron grenade and pressing free action potion

 

[rubikz]

Or I am postitioning myself properly knowing I have consumables at my disposal. Perhaps I had to give that Shaman a little extra room to land a CS, Poly, Nova, whatever on someone else?

Bottom line: Consumables RAISE the skillcap required to compete.

Yes, they require extra effort outside PvP Battlegrounds (much less if you aren't on a twink server and can just buy everything off the AH). Success is not only about execution, but also preparation.

farming 20 stacks of bloodthistle or fortitude potion does not raise the skill cap

your exploited enchants you hide by equipping mount speed gloves and boots do not raise the skill cap

these things have more to do with your history of being unable to play games without having unfair advantages

you are still making general statements about consumables as if all of them raise the skill cap to justify your alchemy lab and gain advantages in ways that have nothing to do with skill

 

[Daddy]

Or I am postitioning myself properly knowing I have consumables at my disposal. Perhaps I had to give that Shaman a little extra room to land a CS, Poly, Nova, whatever on someone else?

Bottom line: Consumables RAISE the skillcap required to compete.

Yes, they require extra effort outside PvP Battlegrounds (much less if you aren't on a twink server and can just buy everything off the AH). Success is not only about execution, but also preparation.

The very fact that you used the word Consumables with the word Skillcap; is beyond ignorant. If anything it takes more skill to not pop a Free action pot to cross mid with the flag and not be stunned feared or sapped, or to postition yourself correctly to kill the EFC WITHOUT having to speed pot, or to effectively kite a feral druid while your team turns on to him before he bites you, or coordinate your CS's and CC (Especially as a mage) in order to land kills instead of having to use bombs or mortars. I could go on.

 

[Donteventrii]

farming 20 stacks of bloodthistle or fortitude potion does not raise the skill cap

your exploited enchants you hide by equipping mount speed gloves and boots do not raise the skill cap

these things have more to do with your history of being unable to play games without having unfair advantages

you are still making general statements about consumables as if all of them raise the skill cap to justify your alchemy lab and gain advantages in ways that have nothing to do with skill

You are making general statements as well. This one in particular falsely equates all on-use consumables to passive ones.
A simple healing pot has an infinite combinations for it's use. Does the user bind or click it? Do they use it at 50% HP when a healer is about to land a heal, or at 10% when a healer is CCed?
More options = more decisions = ^Skillcap^

 

[Donteventrii]

more options make bad play more forgiving

Go back to 19s then, 29s is too forgiving.

 

[Franchi]

While I prefer to fill my bags with every variety of consumable I come down on the side of no to FAP's/focus crystals in premades, that crap is broken.

Additionally buff items like elixrs kaja kola etc just add to the farming hurtle, if they are allowed both sides have to have them, and its a wash anyway, just wasted gold.

However some consumables do genuinely add to the skill cap.

 

[Shaket]

old school iron grenades were actually one of the better mechanics invented in wow

lumping "consumables" into one big category or making statements like "i think all consumables add a lot of skill and diversity to the game" is retarded

there is a big difference between aiming iron grenade and pressing free action potion

rubix, the consumable in question the last couple pages is iron grenade, the new, nerfed iron grenade...

see this post here:

or be in the correct position so u dont have to crutch on grenades to beat the shaman to the flag

Idk how FAPs could be lumped in with the new nerfed nades....something to do with grenade throwing being too complicated for 19s, is my guess

 

[Shaket]

You act like you stand a chance to win against the almighty Bracket Master Kunz in a 10v10 environment without the use of consumables.

You realize that Kunz was using iron grenades in the days of DeToX, right? Back when nades were one hell of a lot easier to use on the fly. I mean if you're going to put DeToX's B-team up on a pedestal, at least get your facts straight.

 

[Daddy]

You realize that Kunz was using iron grenades in the days of DeToX, right? Back when nades were one hell of a lot easier to use on the fly. I mean if you're going to put DeToX's B-team up on a pedestal, at least get your facts straight.

I'm not talking about the past. The past is irrelevant. The worst players today are the ones that can't adjust to today's status quo. ie. Nastymyt and many more. I couldn't care less about past consumables or past premades because when it comes down to it; the game has vastly changed since then and today's method of gameplay requires a higher level of attentiveness and strategy.

 

[Shook]

the game has vastly changed since then and today's method of gameplay requires a higher level of attentiveness and strategy.

wat?

 

[MYT]

I'm not talking about the past. The past is irrelevant. The worst players today are the ones that can't adjust to today's status quo. ie. Nastymyt and many more. I couldn't care less about past consumables or past premades because when it comes down to it; the game has vastly changed since then and today's method of gameplay requires a higher level of attentiveness and strategy.

Since he cited me as worst, let me translate: NastiMYT is horrible because he wins when he plays us.

The 19 bracket is mostly full of afking bads. This is just one more of my victims.

Since they killed the 19 bracket because they couldn't handle to lose to has beens (QQ posts more please), we'll stick to 29 for the moment. Gonna show some bads at 19 how actually good twinks do it before too long though.

 

[MYT]

wat?

"Quote Originally Posted by restopathic View Post

the game has vastly changed since then and today's method of gameplay requires a higher level of attentiveness and strategy."

Translation: The game is more skillful now than when every single battlegroup had 10 times the twinks because they actually had to play objectives and think, and just didn't realize that middle fighting in one spot all game and spamming 5 buttons to win the dmg or heal meter is the true test of skill.

I'm embarrassed to see the 19 bads come to the 29 boards. I consider myself both a 19 and 29 player but 19 is my true home and the absolute horrible players that think they're best in that bracket is embarrassing to me. Fortunately we'll have some 10 mans soon to show them the light. Incoming QQ "I literally can't count how many times I've died to NastiMYT" posts from the "best" 19 players soon. Sadly they'll spam all forums with it in their frustration.

In the meantime they'll continue to run 10 man sync'ed groups with 4-5 BM's because it's the absolute only way they can compete with 29 pugs.

 

[MYT]

And for the record, I've really come to like many of the 29 players who aren't polluted by the toxic 19 environment. It's sad to these these kids running 10 mans with 4-5 BM's talking trash to bring that toxicity over here. Wait till they start DDOSing you when they can't even beat your pug with 5 BMs.

Hopefully when we 10 man them very soon they'll just go away afterwards.

 

[Activate]

Consumables are just tools. When you are negotiating ethical terms for a competitive match I suggest you focus your argument around time investment and pleasantry.

Outside of a preset match-up, it is laughable to condemn an opponent for their level of preparedness. Calling their skill level into question from the graveyard would be a silly thing to do.

It's interesting to see the P2P side of the bracket clawing for a lower ceiling, considering that the F2P side has been clamoring for one since their inception.

 

[Kunz]

You realize that Kunz was using iron grenades in the days of DeToX, right? Back when nades were one hell of a lot easier to use on the fly. I mean if you're going to put DeToX's B-team up on a pedestal, at least get your facts straight.

DeToX B-team > HARD B-team

And since we're on the subject of teams, <HARVEST> is now open for 10v10 wargames if anyone is up for some competitive Warsong Gulch!

 

[Shaket]

I'm not talking about the past. The past is irrelevant. The worst players today are the ones that can't adjust to today's status quo. ie. Nastymyt and many more. I couldn't care less about past consumables or past premades because when it comes down to it; the game has vastly changed since then and today's method of gameplay requires a higher level of attentiveness and strategy.

So when iron grenades were easier to use on the run, they were ok, but now that they got nerfed, they aren't? LOL

I can see the difficulty is the failure 19s not able to use more buttons.

Speaking of attentiveness, when you see the grenade coming at you, MOVE! LMAO Or perhaps your "strategy" is to just complain on the forums in the hope that the game gets even more dumbed down? LOL pathetic kid.

I'd like to also point out that Iron Grenades were even acceptable in premades. People were just better players then, were able to manage having more abilities @ 29, along with more engineering perks. I can see though how a complete moron could claim that fewer abilities and much more simplified play would make for better players...

 

[MYT]

So when iron grenades were easier to use on the run, they were ok, but now that they got nerfed, they aren't? LOL

I can see the difficulty is the failure 19s not able to use more buttons.

Speaking of attentiveness, when you see the grenade coming at you, MOVE! LMAO Or perhaps your "strategy" is to just complain on the forums in the hope that the game gets even more dumbed down? LOL pathetic kid.

True skill is standing in one spot in the middle spamming 5 buttons - according to these guys. If you play 19 you know I'm not kidding, and if you don't trust me - I'm not kidding. If you peel off to save the FC and one beats you at a meaningless heal meter you'll be deemed worst priest of all time immediately.

 

[Shaket]

I actually wonder if you're even the original account holder, "Kunz". It's hard to fathom that someone who actually played back then could let his "friends" make complete fools of themselves by complaining about Iron Grenades in their current iteration.