What would you prefer

Do you think blizzard should merge XP off with XP on or keep the XP eliminator?

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Why exactly do the people who want XP-on and XP-off merged play 19s? If you want low quality games that pop 24 hours a day you might as well play level 20/29 twinks or you could even level an alt through leveling battlegrounds. I'm sure having three more buttons on average won't make that much of a difference.

Out of all the active brackets 10-19 has the highest quality pugs, I am honestly having a hard time understanding why you would want to turn it into another shit show just because some people think they need to be able to play their 19s 24/7.

Also, please drop the moronic wargame argument. "Pug quality is irrelevant because wargames are available" makes no sense whatsoever and I am sure you know that.
 
Arkant said:
Why exactly do the people who want XP-on and XP-off merged play 19s? If you want low quality games that pop 24 hours a day you might as well play level 20/29 twinks or you could even level an alt through leveling battlegrounds. I'm sure having three more buttons on average won't make that much of a difference.

Out of all the active brackets 10-19 has the highest quality pugs, I am honestly having a hard time understanding why you would want to turn it into another shit show just because some people think they need to be able to play their 19s 24/7.

Also, please drop the moronic wargame argument. "Pug quality is irrelevant because wargames are available" makes no sense whatsoever and I am sure you know that.
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Nodoka approves!
 
Arkant said:
Why exactly do the people who want XP-on and XP-off merged play 19s? If you want low quality games that pop 24 hours a day you might as well play level 20/29 twinks or you could even level an alt through leveling battlegrounds. I'm sure having three more buttons on average won't make that much of a difference.

Out of all the active brackets 10-19 has the highest quality pugs, I am honestly having a hard time understanding why you would want to turn it into another shit show just because some people think they need to be able to play their 19s 24/7.

Also, please drop the moronic wargame argument. "Pug quality is irrelevant because wargames are available" makes no sense whatsoever and I am sure you know that.
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Honestly, look at all the people who voted for xp on. They are all shit and match the quality of the xp on bracket.
 
Solipsist said:
Mocha educating someone on ignorance is like Curley educating someone on how to be a man.
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At least I read all of the responses in retort to my posts. Whether or not I agree with them or not is another matter... I read and respond to content of posts, not the name of the person whom posted said content like 99% of TI users do. Say what you will, but literally refusing to read a post because of the name of someone whom posted it or the length of said post on a text forum is 100% quintessential ignorance. People bitching about post length on a forum... That's like opening a text book and bitching that it's not spark notes. How idiotic could you get? I don't care if you read my posts or not... but when I make many uncontestedly good points yet they fail to make it through the earmuffs of ignorance, that's no longer on me, that's on them. As to how I'm "ignorant" when I've always tried my best to see every angle of every situation is beyond me. Keep arguing subjective opinions (redundancy intended) with 0 concrete supporting evidence. Still happy to read any and all evidence of my presumed ignorance / murder of the 19s bracket in my inbox in attempts to reduce derailment. You're however entitled to your opinion, I'm not going to play this "you're ignorant" "no you're ignorant for calling me ignorant" game with you.


I'll take this as a compliment as Curley is probably more of a "man" by gender norms than most of us here.
 
Mocha said:
Arguing for competition in PUGs is simply catering to lazy mentalities of adolescent epeeners. It's the same people whom have been crying about "jajas" in PUGs. If you want balanced teams, no jajas, make your best attempt at growing a pair of furbolgs and organize a wargame. When we were sick of you guys gy farming out friends into quitting, we organized wargames and group pug queues and had a blast. Unfortunately, we couldn't encourage most of our friends to come back after the nail in the coffin had been driven.If PUGs were constantly available to anyone and everyone and they're not being afkd out / told to afk out by most of the posters on this forum, our active community would double in no time. Most of the posters here want to be a big fish in a small pond. That's a pretty pussy way to go about things. Being vocal about wanting competition yet only queuing fotm comps in Skype into PUGs. Most people here say they want competition yet avoid true competition at all costs. Disbanding after each premade loss, not premading unless your "a team" is on, blaming every loss on how you didn't have your "a team", coming back every 3 months with a new name, queuing up into PUGs with your bis fotm homies in skype, afking people out of games. If we had more people queuing PUGs and more people joining the community, that will result in more guilds and who knows what could happen with that (more wsgs popping, more people for arenas, more premading guilds, bigger and better community). I've been strongly encouraging the bracket sprout on different realms instead of centralizing as the pool of exposure on one realm as it is far too limiting for years. I've been saying this since day one and stopped being so vocal about it due to the pure lack of proactive community members whom want to see the community grow in numbers instead of shrink. Although yes it's possible to recruit others... It's naturally going to be more difficult than if others found us instead of us needing to seek those players out and sell them on 19s. I don't see any new person whom stumbles across TI becoming interested in what this community has to offer. If I found TI today, I'd see nothing but complete disrespect and out of my own enjoyment, I'd probably roll ferals with my friends just to piss these people off for an hour or two every week when I have nothing better to do. The community has gained a few members here and there, but it's absolutely lost more dedicated members due to the complete shitstorm that the community has become. Twinks aren't a whole lot of fun now, I'll admit, but to me they haven't been fun since before Cata. Why do I still play? With me only being able to play for a month or so at a time, it makes more sense for me than to try to grind out gear on a 100 and then come back a few months later and have to do it all over again. With wow tokens, I've been having more fun just grinding out gold from old raids than encountering the same 10 names, 3-0ing or being 3-0d and then logging. Those saying "I think it's good that twinks only pop during winter break and summer" are only saying so because it's convenient for them as they're in school during the offseason. When you're at school, there are still community members and new players trying to enjoy their 19s. We should cater things to these people as someday you'll move on, quit, or be occupied with your own real life and whom will be left to fill our shoes? Better get a newer generation geared up and in line now... I wish you guys could have experienced Vengeance back in the day... will always be the greatest community I've ever been a part of. None of this pussy afking out / loss dodging and if you talked shit, you backed it up. We wouldn't sell out our friend's IP addresses for a few quick laughs at ddosing the community... Speaking of, I've actually recently seen someone bring up 19s in a random BG and another person in the game vocalized the impression that we're "retarded elitist children whom ddos each other to win PUGs." True or not, keep in mind that some people actually have this impression of this community and I wouldn't exactly say they're in the wrong either.Just have a thought about legacy every once in a while and consider the future of 19s in a time where you may be more occupied with your real life. The communities that you are passionate about returning to are those whom provide positive experiences to the members. Build a community for the casual 19 player to feel and be welcome because gearing towards casual provides no bottom end and no ceiling where as gearing only towards high competition is 100% finite and limiting. Also gain fathom that in being an exclusive and elitist community, more people will quit than those whom will rise to the competition and join the community. You should always meet competition with competition, don't bring an AR15 to a paintball match and say "well you guys should have brought better guns... maybe next time you'll be as good as me" as that's EXACTLY what queuing Skype fotms in PUGs is. Now is that dude whom brought that gun to a paintball match looking for competition? Or just gaining pleasure in dominating? If he were looking for competition, he'd join an even match... not go into one knowing he'll dominate. Logic.Just a little bit of cherry to top things
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You ought to get back to the color coding, bold, different type sizes, etc. The plan old walls of text aren't doing it like before.
 
Dorigon said:
You ought to get back to the color coding, bold, different type sizes, etc. The plan old walls of text aren't doing it like before.
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I'll add gifs and videos as well this time!


Edit [MENTION=2555]Dorigon[/MENTION] did you apply for mod yet? Back when Silin, Shane and I were staff they asked opinions for moderators and I said "You're going to hate me for this one because he's the biggest troll on the site... but Dorigon" Honestly nobody knows how to bob and weave between the lines of the CoC the way you did... In order to do such, one must have a good understanding of said CoC.
 
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Mocha said:
I'll add gifs and videos as well this time!Edit [MENTION=2555]Dorigon[/MENTION] did you apply for mod yet? Back when Silin, Shane and I were staff they asked opinions for moderators and I said "You're going to hate me for this one because he's the biggest troll on the site... but Dorigon" Honestly nobody knows how to bob and weave between the lines of the CoC the way you did... In order to do such, one must have a good understanding of said CoC.
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I'm pretty sure I did apply once while you were in control ;p. But yea, I did again this time, only because I was encouraged to do so.
 
It's my understanding that via Twitter, twinks are engaging Blizz more frequently, but even if Blizz takes our opinion into consideration when making this decision, why would they consider some odd poll from some site they won't affiliate with? This thread quickly became flaming people for various reasons, not the least of which is their vote, and I reckon, [MENTION=189]Conq[/MENTION], it's better closed. 2c
 
competetive games would die completely if they got merged, there is already enough retards playing the bracket.
 
Competitive games aren't a thing anymore, outside of maybe premades.
 
Patrol said:
It's my understanding that via Twitter, twinks are engaging Blizz more frequently, but even if Blizz takes our opinion into consideration when making this decision, why would they consider some odd poll from some site they won't affiliate with? This thread quickly became flaming people for various reasons, not the least of which is their vote, and I reckon, [MENTION=189]Conq[/MENTION], it's better closed. 2c
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Nothing in this thread surprises me but there's only been 35 votes.

Thinking about this in the context of legion, pizza brought up a really good point, if everyone has the same gear and stats there is no reason for blizzard to separate BGs anymore.
 
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