We love hunters

[Zentouji]

Only because I'm tired of writing this out time and time again for idiots that don't know the different, a la AJ:

"The term skill cap is used all the time on this forum, and it seems that, more often than not, it is not being used properly. The main reason is that most of you retards don't understand the difference between a skill cap and a skill floor, and 9/10 times confuse the two.

A skill cap is what a class or comp can do when it is being played to its fullest potential.

A skill floor in the minimum skill required for a class or comp to succeed in arena.

Example: Ring of Frost. An ability berated and claimed to be over powered by many when used in conjunction with deep freeze, it is often cited by players who claim it has "lowered the skill cap of the mage class". This is false. It is has not lowered the skill cap, rather, it has increased the skill cap, allowing mages to do even more within the context of an arena game with their new tool. Nobody can deny that ring of frost gives mages' more control and utility, whether or not the ability is imbalanced or needed is entirely besides the point when talking about a "skill cap", as skill cap refers to what that class/comp can do when being played to its full potential, and an ability such as RoF obviously increases that potential.

HOWEVER, ring of frost does decrease the skill floor, allowing mages to succeed in arena while playing with less skill than before, even as it simultaneously increases the skill cap. By allowing mages to crowd control a target for 13 seconds with 2 instants cast, unavoidable spells, mage's are allowed to do well in arena with less effort than before. The scenario of increasing the skill cap/lowering the skill floor simultaneously is not exclusive to ring of frost, and applies to a myriad of abilities along with the classes and comps they are present in.

So, with this in mind, stop saying stupid shit like x decreases skill cap and y comp has no skill cap anymore because of z when in reality you mean the exact opposite. Knowing the distinction between the two is important because too often aj threads are derailed when one person who understands the concept is arguing with another player who doesnt, and the discussion spirals into a 10 page shit storm that sits on the front page of the general discussion for a month."

Indeed, I got confused my apologies.

In which case the "skill floor" (new word ), to play hunters is extremely low imo, but not everyone is really playing it to it's full capability (objectively)? (Yes/No)?

 

[Lil]

If I see one more damn person compare a warrior to hunt I'm gonna reroll a damn warrior and hunt you down JUST to kill you 1v1 on my warrior.. STFU already I mean damn we get hunts beat warriors. Got anything new?

@Mure (I forget your other TI name :/ I'll just call you legendary boxer) Strike is actually decent. Knows how to leave gy when efc is inc and can hold me in enemy ramp/fr sometimes. Here's the thing though... You mention that pro gy farming performance and said he could have gone 200-0 in cata? Well there was 4 hunts 200/4=50. Pocket healer with each hunt NONSTOP. I would say that should decrease it by atleast 10 so 40-0 on a cata hunt gy farming.. /yawn

I've gone 52-2 before with 1 cap and 2 returns without ever touching enemy gy. Better ratio, More caps, More returns, Less time spent at gy>Strike. You can only be 2 different people and thats strike or the pootinspencer person and either way you're bad k?

 

[Bestasky]

If I see one more damn person compare a warrior to hunt I'm gonna reroll a damn warrior and hunt you down JUST to kill you 1v1 on my warrior.. STFU already I mean damn we get hunts beat warriors. Got anything new?

A big lol at your childish '' OK, that's it ! now i'm gonna roll a warrior and show you'' ...lol, why ofc you will......

You know kid it takes a bit more then your momentarely rage and words bigger then your penis to do something like that, saying it isn't enough.

But please feel free to try.......

On the other hand my first class is a hunter, not a warrior ( always was more skilled with a hunter ), tell me...should i roll one for you ? ...you don't have to anwser that, jsut take a moment to cool down and have your mom make you a sandwich.

 

[Lil]

I had to make your own post for this post you decided to try and lie through your teeth with..

Most of the above is true, hunters don't require much skill to kill someone or make a diff.All of you confirm that each day by your bad play ...my little backpeddlers and ''push 5 abilites at once when someone jumps you''(most of you!). You talk about skill when having so much mobility, dmg, CC, evasion, pets, etc..

Gratz? Rdruids who don't shift out of concussive. Rdruids who stay in reindeer with 8 stacks. Rdruids who can't do a jump to save their life. Healers who don't heal. Healers who don't dispel.. What's your point? Hunts are easy to play as well as every healing class k? Point 1 nullified

But God forbid that anyone should say ''hey !, wait a minute, you don't require 10% of skill to play your class''. How much you push from your class is how much of a difference you will make in a BG. It's like having a super bike but you don't go over 60MPH. Try meeting Darro or Moonseeker in a BG-you know what they do ? ? well i'll tell you :

THEY PUSH OUT 99% of their class by their exeptional skill and objective play,they can do and kill almost anyone, which is 90% more then most of you who say ''HEY ! i have skill''-sure you do....

Never heard of either of them (if you are from EU then sry). I have more caps/returns then anyone in the US so I must be US #1 am I rite?! You went from saying hunts had a low skill floor in first quote to saying a high skill cap in this one so point nullified

Once again it's not just about what class you play rather how you play it and what you can do with it,hunters have a large ability pool or as someone above said the gap between ''skill cap'' and ''skill floor''...meaning more potential you have more you can push out (kill,protect,CC,etc),one more example of that....imagine if we were to compare class Hunter and Warrior,we'd see that hunter class has 10 times more abilites and thus can push out much more then a warrior class.

Wow you found out the secret that hunts can beat warriors.. Wonder how long that took you to find out? Only warrior I will accept QQ'ing about hunts are [MENTION=12763]Licholas[/MENTION] and [MENTION=5871]Mialo[/MENTION]. Everyone else I really don't care much about how much they QQ as Lich is top ally war I know and Mialo has killed me before solo and proven it's not the class matchup it's the player matchup sometimes. Obvious point nullified

Ppl argue wether explosive shot does 3 times less dmg now then before, i on the other hand pvp a lot in f2p bracket and do a lot of FC and EFC, and i can tell you from experience that E.S. didn't do 1 k DMG before and that it now does 400-500 (talking about crits ofc).This is not important, those are all dots on letter ''i''.

Promise I FC and kill EFC wayyy more then you and I've probably played in this bracket longer also. ES dmg was cut in 1/3. Idc if you believe me or not it's a fact

Feel good about playing your hunter ? -GREAT now is the time to be objective

- Done

and roll something like a warrior

So now only warriors are objective players or is this just you QQ'ing about the war/hunt gap?

I'm done with this thread.. I like hunters because I like the playstyle and I LOVE hunters so I can go out there and shut the people up calling the class no skilled or no brained or just bads

 

[Bestasky]

@Lilhunter

Noone said you like them because they are OP'ed......or that you specifically suck at it.

Your emo aside kid, your eyesight must be broken, or in other words you can't read.....

I am ranked number one in the World on my warrior with over 2.6 k flags returned and 5.2 k capped, and a 292 % flag score .

So please explain it to me....when your and mine stats compared, how on earth do you more FC or EFC then me ?
Tell you what, you don't have to anwser that either, why ? cause it's time for a warm glass of milk after your sandwich.

 

[Lil]

Like I said no idea who you are and I didn't even know you were EU.. I will take back the me fcing n killin efc more then you and congratulate you on being worlds top wsg rank. Still comparing warriors to hunts is just a stupid point and honestly hearing warriors QQ about hunts is when it annoys me the most.

You proved me wrong about you being more objective based then me but everything else I said was true.. Go ahead and make another smartass comment cause I'm done arguing with someone I've never even seen play before

 

[supportabro]

Indeed, I got confused my apologies.

In which case the "skill floor" (new word ), to play hunters is extremely low imo, but not everyone is really playing it to it's full capability (objectively)? (Yes/No)?

You are correct!

 

[M.u.R.e-]

btw Lil you arent bis yet Ring of Precision - Item - World of Warcraft is better then Ello's Band - Item - World of Warcraft

even for alliance

but thats just my opinion

its like if the 19s want to faction change their rogues for 2x signets which i think are better then ellos/signet @19

 

[Neon]

Hunters have the best consistent damage and can be very annoying, and almost impossible to peel, but they are definately not overpowered, compared to other classes.

 

[Fujin0]

Like I said no idea who you are and I didn't even know you were EU

Just to clarify: He is that dreaded greenskin which' name starts with A and ends with lphasky


I will join in on this qt-thread by saying that, as a hunter, I could possibly kill any mage/warlock/rogue/warrior/prot paly/feral druid/balance druid/(ret paly)/enh shaman/ele shaman you will find in EU-ally-pugs - I know Lìl is from the US, I know she's good, I know she hates being called a "cata hunter" or being told "boohoo, hunters are op, start rolling a harder class" but I can't deny that being able to do that as a mediocre hunter can't be THAT MUCH of a coincidence...


And yes, I raged really hard everytime I saw a 1k SV-hunter faceroll a 1.5k hp (like I was myself back then) rogue or anything else just because he could


IMO: Gief Cata back but let hunters stay where they are now - eezee bracket fix kthxbai

 

[Garrett]

Just to clarify: He is that dreaded greenskin which' name starts with A and ends with lphasky


I will join in on this qt-thread by saying that, as a hunter, I could possibly kill any mage/warlock/rogue/warrior/prot paly/feral druid/balance druid/(ret paly)/enh shaman/ele shaman you will find in EU-ally-pugs - I know Lìl is from the US, I know she's good, I know she hates being called a "cata hunter" or being told "boohoo, hunters are op, start rolling a harder class" but I can't deny that being able to do that as a mediocre hunter can't be THAT MUCH of a coincidence...


And yes, I raged really hard everytime I saw a 1k SV-hunter faceroll a 1.5k hp (like I was myself back then) rogue or anything else just because he could


IMO: Gief Cata back but let hunters stay where they are now - eezee bracket fix kthxbai

So, let me get this straight. You think as a hunter, you can beat druids, shamans, paladins. And I'll emphasize you said ''any''.

Any? Really? How often do you play your hunter?

Saying you can beat any of anything, I mean, it's not something I'd say. Because you never know. But sure, hunters can beat most warlocks 1v1, most mages 1v1, most warriors 1v1. But paladins? Druids? Shamans? Please. If they can heal remotely proper, it's either not going to happen or going to take too long to be viable.

The truth is, any class that can heal right now, has higher survivability than a hunter does. The only time that I manage to make a difference is when nobody is focusing on me. Otherwise I go down like a fucking fly. I can't heal and people are barely willing to heal their hunters.

Anyway, as a rule. I don't focus much on mages, warlocks, warriors, or any of the E.Z. stuff unless I HAVE TO. Simply because there are more important things for me to focus on.

 

[Garrett]

A big lol at your childish '' OK, that's it ! now i'm gonna roll a warrior and show you'' ...lol, why ofc you will......

You know kid it takes a bit more then your momentarely rage and words bigger then your penis to do something like that, saying it isn't enough.

But please feel free to try.......

On the other hand my first class is a hunter, not a warrior ( always was more skilled with a hunter ), tell me...should i roll one for you ? ...you don't have to anwser that, jsut take a moment to cool down and have your mom make you a sandwich.

My first class is a rogue =/= efficient at playing a rogue.

It's not about which class you start out with. And I'm sure you understand hunters are different now than what they used to be. You may be surprised at the result if you were to ever happen to use one again.

Lil uses her hunter much more than you use yours. Realistically, she should be better.

 

[Fujin0]

I was hinting a bit on the fact that I have seen MAYBE 3 ally warlocks/mages that know what they're doing (this is not meant to be bashing on ally, I play ally as well it's just a fact...) and that the general Ally pug is easier to beat by 2-3 dedicated f2ps,than is a Horde one (sure depends on the people, but I win more Horde pugs than I do all ones - in relation to how much I play Horde and how much I play ally ofc). You say remotely heal, I say, as long as it's interruptable I won't let them.

I'll also emphasize that I clearly stated "could possibly". This is not meant to be a "wuhu I iz so gud, I can beat sheez" kind of brag or anything, it's not like I faceroll while playing against a class that COULD heal, I sure have to be on my toes, but it's still easily possible.

I also don't focus any player that doesn't play on objective (especially not mages, because I hate getting focused midfield on my own Mage...) I'm also no gy-farmer - capping dem flags (yes I fc as a mage as well) iz moar impurtant!

 

[Mestuk]

QQ I miss cata! Back then.. I'd 2 cap then make Lill hold my jacket while i farmed alliance GY.

 

[Lil]

QQ I miss cata! Back then.. I'd 2 cap then make Lill hold my jacket while i farmed alliance GY.

I always enjoy it when people call me out SPECIFICALLY... I remember your toon.. I remember your name.. I remember you being a cata hunt along with w/e bads you managed to pug your way into running to gy.

/gratz on being a better gy farmer then me. /laugh if you think you're a better hunt cause I remember me 1v1'ing you all the time lol

Why is this thread not locked? With the people in this bracket and the trolls on this website anything with the word hunter in the name of the thread should be immediately looked at to be locked.. Reporting this myself.

 

[Garrett]

I was hinting a bit on the fact that I have seen MAYBE 3 ally warlocks/mages that know what they're doing (this is not meant to be bashing on ally, I play ally as well it's just a fact...) and that the general Ally pug is easier to beat by 2-3 dedicated f2ps,than is a Horde one (sure depends on the people, but I win more Horde pugs than I do all ones - in relation to how much I play Horde and how much I play ally ofc). You say remotely heal, I say, as long as it's interruptable I won't let them.

I'll also emphasize that I clearly stated "could possibly". This is not meant to be a "wuhu I iz so gud, I can beat sheez" kind of brag or anything, it's not like I faceroll while playing against a class that COULD heal, I sure have to be on my toes, but it's still easily possible.

I also don't focus any player that doesn't play on objective (especially not mages, because I hate getting focused midfield on my own Mage...) I'm also no gy-farmer - capping dem flags (yes I fc as a mage as well) iz moar impurtant!

There are a limited number of stuns and a lot of things to use your stuns on. It's not just about interrupting something but also by how sturdy something happens to be. How much dps you dish out in comparison to the enemy. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

You say ''easily''. I say you're wrong.

 

[The Saint]

hunters are fine above lvl 19. just because you cant global stuff anymore dont mean you're UP. and you're not the only pure dps class having problems with hybrids, nor is it exclusive to this lvl.

 

[Garrett]

hunters are fine above lvl 19. just because you cant global stuff anymore dont mean you're UP. and you're not the only pure dps class having problems with hybrids, nor is it exclusive to this lvl.

Is that druid of yours cozy? You know, the one with extra looms..

 

[Fujin0]

There are a limited number of stuns and a lot of things to use your stuns on. It's not just about interrupting something but also by how sturdy something happens to be. How much dps you dish out in comparison to the enemy. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

You say ''easily''. I say you're wrong.

I'm totally exhausted from training and just say that you're right, you played your hunter more than I played mine, you have more experience - fine


/close

 

[Punnishers]

Garrett you avatar is creepy and I have to argee with all you have to say but
do you reccomend when there is 5 horde (scale of 1-10 of skill and gear)
>8 mage
>9 sentinel druid
>3 rouge
>10 warrior
>5 hpal
which one to take down first? or what order you would go about it?