Was just wondering...

What is the difference between a 10v10 premade where everyone is allowed to speed pot against a 10v10 where no one is allowed to speed pot? absolutely no difference apart from the fact it would look more like a NASCAR race as someone said literally weeks ago when this thread was first created. And also what kind of classes would possibly be kited in a premade? you should be basically grouped with your whole team for the majority of the game.

How about the unparalleled mobility of Hunters is partially compromised?

That way, they actually have to position themselves intelligently like the rest of their team to deal their mind-blowingly broken damage.

No, that probably doesn't translate into balanced premades, does it?
 
I'll play in all white gear if it get's things moving. Why not? I realize people get caught up in this stuff, but really, who gives a #HI #?

To what Goesid said, I've been playing with narrow escape for weeks now…it makes for better games and better game play imo. Hunter sprint is great for two things; ego and building up 24's on the opposing side.
 
Bliz plz nerf hunterz nao! K thx.


p.s. so your saying i don't have to farm swiftthistle?
 
so what im getting out of the discussion is that we want hunters to have speed pots right?

Shit...well i'm on the wrong class :p
 
so what im getting out of the discussion is that we want hunters to have speed pots right?

Shit...well i'm on the wrong class :p

Every class having a mobility cooldown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
Every class having a mobility cooldown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hunters having a second cooldown.

Disengage is a 12 second cooldown (20 disengage cd minus 8 seconds of Posthaste talent).

Yeah sure Hunter's mobility cooldown is shorter than most/all classes, but do you realize when both teams will be fielding 2 hunters?

I'm sick of you complaining about mobility when you main a Druid in this bracket Bop.
 
My intentions of this thread was try to promote the bracket to something new and different Bop. With you trying to nitpick problem after problem, all I see you is scaring people from what I'm trying to bring in.
 
My intentions of this thread was try to promote the bracket to something new and different Bop.

This is going to sound sarcastic and I really don't mean it to, but, how's that working out for you?
 
This is going to sound sarcastic and I really don't mean it to, but, how's that working out for you?

Well Kincaide, I had a couple of people personally contact me with interest in getting their teams. I wish more people were motivated when it comes to this subject. People assume something like this is impossible when it's not.

Hopefully, we can get something scheduled soon. Other than that, I am getting a little bored/tired of queing into pugs.
 
cough, cough, cou...horde side...gh, cough. cough, cou...come horde side too...gh, cough cough. It would open up more options for opponents...... c'mon, you know you want to....... It feels sooooooo gooooooood....... ;)
 
Some friends and I are working on rolling some f2ps at the moment. We would all be from different realms, but I'm sure at some point we would be down. That is once we are all geared anyway!

Sounds like a lot of fun!
 
My intentions of this thread was try to promote the bracket to something new and different Bop. With you trying to nitpick problem after problem, all I see you is scaring people from what I'm trying to bring in.

Then use the bracket to promote something new and different. Premades? Awesome, let's do it.

Don't bring 19's to the free to play bracket. We have mounts. No one is going to be "Nascar-ing" around, because that would be utterly idiotic.

Yes, I play a healer in a bracket that screams for hunters. In fact, I play a druid healer in a bracket that screams for hunters. I do not have the privilege to premade with a synergized group of ex-19s. At the most, there are 3-4 of us from Mok'Nathal that play at a time and that is really stretching it.

I am excited for any renewal of life in the bracket.

I'm not sure what "problem after problem" I have been presenting; I can only think of one. I'm simply curious as to why the bracket should be changed, when accommodations have already been made to deal with the definitive problem that is the hunter class.

Personally, I think giving mobility to classes that would otherwise be without (in a bracket dominated by non-balanced damage from a solitary specialization from a solitary class) begs to be maintained.
 
In all honesty Kev, I'd love to play with you guys more as well as against you more. Organized/scheduled premades have been something I think the bracket needed. For me though, the way things are with living conditions/responsibilities for me, I find it difficult to commit to mic-ing up or even putting sound/headphones on. It'll sometimes work, but rarely.

In regards to the rules that are so heavily debated about on here, I'm not sure I understand such a strong resistance. Things can be debated, sure, but I don't see how not playing in the 10 v 10 is preferred to playing in them without the buffs/speed pots. As of late, having played in the bracket for a couple or so years, I'm fed up with farming mats, trying to get the recipes, etc and frankly don't have the time and have pretty much sworn most of it off. Sure I love my speed pots, but I'd prefer to play in the premade and not use them rather than not have the opportunity if that's what it comes down to. Besides that, If I get a cap in on someone because of my speed pot because the guy chasing me didn't have it, I don't feel like that's a great victory. It would feel far better to win in a situation where either everyone, or nobody has them, everyone on equal ground. It's easier just to say fine, no speed pots. I understand hunters and druid speeds are a PITA and I love keeping ToT when fighting them because of a speed pot. Sometimes it's the only counter. However, in a premade with rules, everyone is in the same boat (2 hunters, 2 druids, what have you).

That being said, if this is really holding up games being planned, you could just schedule a night with the restrictions, and maybe a night for no holds barred premading, everything allowed. It would be crazy, perhaps mega crazy, but maybe people would be more apt to give them up for some premades, if there were also premades with an opportunity to use them. Just a thought. I hate to see things getting held up when the organized games are so much fun.
 
Then use the bracket to promote something new and different. Premades? Awesome, let's do it.

Don't bring 19's to the free to play bracket. We have mounts. No one is going to be "Nascar-ing" around, because that would be utterly idiotic.

Yes, I play a healer in a bracket that screams for hunters. In fact, I play a druid healer in a bracket that screams for hunters. I do not have the privilege to premade with a synergized group of ex-19s. At the most, there are 3-4 of us from Mok'Nathal that play at a time and that is really stretching it.

I am excited for any renewal of life in the bracket.

I'm not sure what "problem after problem" I have been presenting; I can only think of one. I'm simply curious as to why the bracket should be changed, when accommodations have already been made to deal with the definitive problem that is the hunter class.

Personally, I think giving mobility to classes that would otherwise be without (in a bracket dominated by non-balanced damage from a solitary specialization from a solitary class) begs to be maintained.

You know hunters can swift pot too
 
Why is there so much crying about the speed pot ban, or any other rule for that matter? If you don't like it, then don't play them (that is, if you can even scrounge up ten people, which I highly doubt in the cases of most complainers).
 
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Why is there so much crying about the speed pot ban, or any other rule for that matter? If you don't like it, then don't play them (that is, if you can even scrounge up ten people, which I highly doubt in the cases of most complainers).

I think you're missing the point. I want these games to happen as much as Atwanta does.

The only way you're going to get teams of 10 hardcore Starters is if they know that 90% of the game isn't dependent on hunter dps. Swift pots alleviate some of that pressure by allowing quick corrections in positioning.

"Hunters can swift pot too" - please read page 7, in which that topic is addressed. Also, the above paragraph.

So I suppose I could simply "not play them" - but that's the ultimatum that is boring and not beneficial to the bracket. Being beneficial to the bracket, as I understand it, is the sole goal of this enterprise on Ursin.

So let's work together and talk about what can / cannot work. Instead of being put immediately on the defensive by bracket-specific ideas for balance.
 
Premades are largely about not messing up positioning in the first place. And both sides have hunters. Regardless, after 8 pages, it's high time to put up or shut up. (saying that in general, not toward you specifically)
 

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