Warband Bank access revoked for F2Ps & Vets

[RiverpawGrinder]

It's counter-intuitive, but I was going to stay subbed for a while, and then they did this and it kind of killed the desire to give them any of my money.

I was looking forward to making a twink army during the time I cancel my sub because I don't play as much, but now I'm just going to play something else and probably forget about WoW.

So, yeeaaaah... Backfired in my case. Good job, Blizzard.

Also, i want to ask what do they plan to do to those items locked in warband? They gave ZERO warning , ZERO time for players to transfer their items out. It is not just those locked in the warband, some subbed players also use f2p bank/reagent bank to store their reagents. Now all these are fxxxed up by an irresponsible move from an irresponsible company.

Glad that now I can free up that 100GB of my harddisk. See you no more.

 

[Boii]

You wanna farm gold as F2P and then pay for 1 month sub? Nots gonna happen. Blizz found it first.

Kek, to farm the gold on a f2p to pay for the sub, while having a gold cap of 1k, would take forever, even with high-gold vendor items stuffed in inventory. I never planned on stacking enough gold for it, besides, pretty sure it wouldn’t even have paid for a token thru gold stored in bank, which means if you stacked each character with 1k gold and made the max amount of characters (think its 60) you would still not be able to get a token.

 

[Arpheton]

Kek, to farm the gold on a f2p to pay for the sub, while having a gold cap of 1k, would take forever, even with high-gold vendor items stuffed in inventory. I never planned on stacking enough gold for it, besides, pretty sure it wouldn’t even have paid for a token thru gold stored in bank, which means if you stacked each character with 1k gold and made the max amount of characters (think its 60) you would still not be able to get a token.

With access to the warband bank, there was not really a gold cap for f2p, as you just put all the gold into the bank. You could farm until you reach the 1k on a char an then put the gold into the bank.
I think it still would take long time to get enough for a token on a lvl20.

 

[Shadowrope]

Does anyone even farm raw gold any more?

I guess you could do backpacks+dirt piles in Dragon Isles...

Anything else is really an inconsequential amount of gold, all things considered.

My theory is that their net code sucks and that's the reason they changed this.
Although I really don't know how bad it would have to be for the total of all f2p wbb transfers to equal even one TSM goblin bot torturing the servers by rescanning and reposting items.

 

[nocture]

As a f2p you can't buy a Wow Token.
First Problem: You need the full amount of gold on a single toon not on your warbank.
2nd Problem: As vet you need to have a subscription in your recent history that is not too old or blizzarz wont allow you to buy a wow token. As a f2p you never had a sub so you aren't allowed to buy a token from blizzard as well.

 

[setsunahq]

As a f2p you can't buy a Wow Token.
First Problem: You need the full amount of gold on a single toon not on your warbank.
2nd Problem: As vet you need to have a subscription in your recent history that is not too old or blizzarz wont allow you to buy a wow token. As a f2p you never had a sub so you aren't allowed to buy a token from blizzard as well.

You used to able to reactivate sub via token at the character selection screen, not anymore, they changed that you need to have an active sub to buy / use token now.

 

[Shadowrope]

You used to able to reactivate sub via token at the character selection screen, not anymore, they changed that you need to have an active sub to buy / use token now.

Wait, since when?

Maybe they disabled the "buy a token with gold" thing, but I resubbed using a token on my bank char about a month ago.
TBF, the char was lvl 10, so I could log in.

It even sent me to the character selection screen to activate the token from there.

 

[setsunahq]

Wait, since when?

Maybe they disabled the "buy a token with gold" thing, but I resubbed using a token on my bank char about a month ago.
TBF, the char was lvl 10, so I could log in.

It even sent me to the character selection screen to activate the token from there.

I only remember reading it in some patch notes but don't remember when

so it was you who caused them to revoke the warbank

 

[Shadowrope]

I just found out one of the possible reasons they revoked the access:

People were multibox gathering on 1 subbed and 8 trial accounts and then funneling the mats and gold to the main account through the warbank. -.+

If it's true, that's yet another thing ruined because of multiboxing being allowed.
It ruined my arenas in TBC, gathering since the node change, and now this... Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised skinning was changed because of these f...

Ok, breathe...

Sorry for the rant.

 

[Calligraphy]

That feels like the history of twinking in a nutshell. We get a nice thing, some people are compelled to abuse it, Blizz breaks the thing to stop the abuse and we all lose out in the process.

I'm going to miss the warbank and it'd be nice if they'd find some way to allow item withdrawals even if the gold part were locked down. Since trial restrictions definitionally affect people who don't pay I don't see a fix being any sort of priority, so I'm just going to grumble about the reasons we can't have nice things.

 

[Chops]

With any luck they'll revoke the xp-off npcs next

 

[setsunahq]

I just found out one of the possible reasons they revoked the access:

People were multibox gathering on 1 subbed and 8 trial accounts and then funneling the mats and gold to the main account through the warbank. -.+

If it's true, that's yet another thing ruined because of multiboxing being allowed.
It ruined my arenas in TBC, gathering since the node change, and now this... Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised skinning was changed because of these f...

Ok, breathe...

Sorry for the rant.

how do you multibox gathering node, do they not disappear after 1 person loot?

 

[aislingyngaio]

how do you multibox gathering node, do they not disappear after 1 person loot?

maybe gathering = aoe farming not profession gathering? although that's optimized in groups of 5 so idk how a chain of 9 works exactly.

 

[Shadowrope]

how do you multibox gathering node, do they not disappear after 1 person loot?

It does not. It persists a minute(?) after. I believe this was changed in Legion and was the node change I was referring to. It's also one of the reasons nodes disappear as you're flying towards them (the other is phasing). It's also what enables group seed farms.

They also changed skinning so that multiple people can skin the same corpse in DF.

Both enable multibox gatherers to a large degree and is one of the reasons mat prices have tanked. The only way to efficiently gather is by multiboxing or in a farm group. All other ways are just miserable gph.
There are some old world mats that still have a decent price, but it fluctuates because they pounce on it pretty fast.

 

[Owlbear]

I just found out one of the possible reasons they revoked the access:

People were multibox gathering on 1 subbed and 8 trial accounts and then funneling the mats and gold to the main account through the warbank. -.+

If it's true, that's yet another thing ruined because of multiboxing being allowed.
It ruined my arenas in TBC, gathering since the node change, and now this... Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised skinning was changed because of these f...

Ok, breathe...

Sorry for the rant.

Hmm... I do agree, that could make sense, but it is still mean to the f2p peoples when done without notice. As veterans could get their stuff out of bank on the free weekends, so the only people actually losing their items were the f2ps that may need them the most. As some countries just won't be able to subscribe even if well intentioned...

So idk, in other mmos when there was change that was mean to specific group there was at least something compensating them so they don't plain lose from it. Like a title or something, in one mmo they had to roll back 3 days because of auction house exploit and all that played got a title "caturday survivor"... With time it even became fun to wear them much later on...
So if it was needed, could at least give the 20s 2 days notice or some funny pet - "ghost warbank" or something, that runs around making sad noices and doesn't allow access to anything... Just doing it in more elegant way if it is truly needed.
As in any case can't imagine that will hurt the economy that badly and at least feels better.

But it is what it is, 20s will survive, and if it wasn't with bad intentions its sad it happened that way.

 

[Boii]

With any luck they'll revoke the xp-off npcs next

or just make it impossible to do so without a subscription, or below level 30

 

[cletus]

Hmm... I do agree, that could make sense, but it is still mean to the f2p peoples when done without notice. As veterans could get their stuff out of bank on the free weekends, so the only people actually losing their items were the f2ps that may need them the most. As some countries just won't be able to subscribe even if well intentioned...

So idk, in other mmos when there was change that was mean to specific group there was at least something compensating them so they don't plain lose from it. Like a title or something, in one mmo they had to roll back 3 days because of auction house exploit and all that played got a title "caturday survivor"... With time it even became fun to wear them much later on...
So if it was needed, could at least give the 20s 2 days notice or some funny pet - "ghost warbank" or something, that runs around making sad noices and doesn't allow access to anything... Just doing it in more elegant way if it is truly needed.
As in any case can't imagine that will hurt the economy that badly and at least feels better.

But it is what it is, 20s will survive, and if it wasn't with bad intentions its sad it happened that way.

WoW is full of people catching strays for no reason.

In this case, F2Ps/Vets pay the price because Blizzard is wholly uninterested in solving the bot problem.

Remember in SL when Blizzard put an AoE cap of 5 in? That was because of M+ IIRC. This was devastating for farming legacy content and was ultimately reversed with a reasonable compromise (damage tapers off after 5/8 targets for most abilities and this doesn't matter if you're legacy content).

So Blizzard has a habit of making a kneejerik reaction as a kind of quick fix. Sometimes that becomes permanent. Sometimes it get rolled back. Given they updated their own docs to say F2Ps don't have Warbank access I think they decided to make this permanent even though that was never the original goal. They'd rather do that than play whakc-a-mole with F2P Warbank abuse. Sucks for us.

Blizzard really just needs to give up on the "player economy" and having an AH at all. It makes everything in the game for sale and everything transactional. MoP Remix didn't have professions of the AH and the content was easy at max gear so you had a ton of community runs. Every one of those would be a paid boost in retail.

 

[nocture]

I just found out one of the possible reasons they revoked the access:

People were multibox gathering on 1 subbed and 8 trial accounts and then funneling the mats and gold to the main account through the warbank. -.+

If it's true, that's yet another thing ruined because of multiboxing being allowed.
It ruined my arenas in TBC, gathering since the node change, and now this... Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised skinning was changed because of these f...

Ok, breathe...

Sorry for the rant.

This sounds like a fairy tail for me. Well, let someone multibox with 1 subbed account and 8 trials. How is he going to tranfer all the stuff from the warbank that a trial account has to the account with the active sub? From my understanding we have in this case 1 warbank for the subbed account and 8 warbanks that are related to every single trial account and all these 9 warbanks are seperate and not the same.

 

[nocture]

WoW is full of people catching strays for no reason.

In this case, F2Ps/Vets pay the price because Blizzard is wholly uninterested in solving the bot problem.

Remember in SL when Blizzard put an AoE cap of 5 in? That was because of M+ IIRC. This was devastating for farming legacy content and was ultimately reversed with a reasonable compromise (damage tapers off after 5/8 targets for most abilities and this doesn't matter if you're legacy content).

So Blizzard has a habit of making a kneejerik reaction as a kind of quick fix. Sometimes that becomes permanent. Sometimes it get rolled back. Given they updated their own docs to say F2Ps don't have Warbank access I think they decided to make this permanent even though that was never the original goal. They'd rather do that than play whakc-a-mole with F2P Warbank abuse. Sucks for us.

Blizzard really just needs to give up on the "player economy" and having an AH at all. It makes everything in the game for sale and everything transactional. MoP Remix didn't have professions of the AH and the content was easy at max gear so you had a ton of community runs. Every one of those would be a paid boost in retail.

To say warbank acces isnt part of the f2p experience is some kind of odd. Check the restriktions for f2p in other languages than english and you won't find in every case the part where they say that warbank is not a part of f2p. at least the german documentation of f2p limitatons doesnt't contain the sentence where they say that warbank is for subbed accounts.

 

[Syrayeda]

This sounds like a fairy tail for me. Well, let someone multibox with 1 subbed account and 8 trials. How is he going to tranfer all the stuff from the warbank that a trial account has to the account with the active sub? From my understanding we have in this case 1 warbank for the subbed account and 8 warbanks that are related to every single trial account and all these 9 warbanks are seperate and not the same.

1 battlenet account can have 8 wow accounts. 1 wow account can be subbed while 7 wow accounts can be f2p, and they all share the same warbank. this is the same as mounts, pets, toys, heirlooms, and achievements.