Viciously Delicious vs. Underground (6/22/2013)

[Flamer]

http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f12/best-19-us-43087/index7.html

first comment of that page... I think you proved yourself wrong.

hahahhahahhaha yussss

and it really isn't a good sign if ur right clicking portraits to set focus, etc

reminds me of that warlock from last summer that uploaded think it was MB vs NA and he was clicking a spell in his spellbook during the game

 

[anatomyx]

The games between Viciously Delicious and Underground were as real as any premade match in this bracket. If you can think outside the "elitist" box for a moment, you should be able to appreciate that not all premades have to be super competitive or be about who is the "best".

I would personally rather have regular, friendly premades than have just one premade and then spend the next year arguing in the forums about which guild is #1 , excuses for why the losing team lost, who dodged whom, etc.

while i agree with you on some people/guilds having gigantic egos for no reason, i think it's equally as silly to fall back on "we want friendly games" or "we are casual players" as an excuse to never improve oneself as a player or take the advice / constructive criticism of others, even if some of it was posted somewhat aggressively towards the OP

 

[Daddy]

while i agree with you on some people/guilds having gigantic egos for no reason, i think it's equally as silly to fall back on "we want friendly games" or "we are casual players" as an excuse to never improve oneself as a player or take the advice / constructive criticism of others, even if some of it was posted somewhat aggressively towards the OP

If you honestly think that him calling these games "practicemades" and over all demeaning the authenticity of the Premades they participated in is "constructive criticism" you are mistaken.

 

[Healbawts]

i cnt wait until i can make something halfway decent out of myself


especially since my only form of gratification in the entire world is by playing 19 twinkers

 

[Karmaz]

The games between Viciously Delicious and Underground were as real as any premade match in this bracket. If you can think outside the "elitist" box for a moment, you should be able to appreciate that not all premades have to be super competitive or be about who is the "best".

If the games are not truly competitive then they are equivelant to a highly disorganized Real-ID Group queue. Everything that I stated and the outcomes I forecast are very similar to what a Real Premade should look like. Without correction of the vast abundance of mistakes made by multiple players and the group as a whole would cause a undeniable if not embarrassing loss.

then spend the next year arguing in the forums about which guild is #1 , excuses for why the losing team lost, who dodged whom, etc.

There is a difference between an excuse and a legitimate reason, please don't get the two confused. The Guilds and Groups that spot, call out where the significant point of error reside, and spend the time and effort on fixing them are the same groups that will dominate the bracket. Groups that let them go by unrecognized or sweep their problems under the rug due to fear of dealing with conflict will ultimately fail.

This isn't an opinion, it is a cold hard fact.

 

[Healbawts]

derv i waited @ the bike rak all day kid u dont show up then u come back dropin smacks kid come@ me ill knock your block

 

[Karmaz]

If you honestly think that him calling these games "practicemades" and over all demeaning the authenticity of the Premades they participated in is "constructive criticism" you are mistaken.

But in all honesty it is. It is a reality check, something to bring you down from cloud9. These games are recognized as more of a work in progress rather than a "be all end all". They even admitted that the general notion that the guild had was that they didn't need to be in Vent for communication. I highly doubt anyone that is even slightly intellectually inclined would agree with this sentiment.

It may seem harsh as to how much criticism they are receiving but in reality having such a high standard for play is a good thing. It only reinforces how much further people can go to become better. The fact that there is a conglomerate of people who play in these brackets that strive to reach high levels of play speaks to how passionate about competition they are, which whether you are willing to admit it or not, is the real lifeblood and driving force that keeps this community active.

EDIT:

The biggest ideology that we need to uphold is the expectation of improvement. People need to be accountable for their actions, or lack there of. We could continue talking shit behind your back which would further perpetuate subpar play or we could address the issue, bring up valid points and confront the issues head on.

No fluff, no softeners, no bullshit. Straight to the point.

If you don't have thick enough skin to handle a few jabs here and there, then ignore what is being said. Don't complain about it, at least have the decency to give the opportunity for your fellow comrades and allow them to wake up from the ceaseless slumber of mediocrity.

 

[Healbawts]

i know tht if i ever get down or my ego in the 19 bracket ever gets 2 big derv will keep me grounded

 

[Eliot]

Bump for more games Sunday and then a week after that! I will record them and I think you guys will see some good improvement!

 

[Laurasia]

There is a difference between an excuse and a legitimate reason, please don't get the two confused. The Guilds and Groups that spot, call out where the significant point of error reside, and spend the time and effort on fixing them are the same groups that will dominate the bracket. Groups that let them go by unrecognized or sweep their problems under the rug due to fear of dealing with conflict will ultimately fail.

My point is that it doesn't matter so much who loses and it's not worth arguing repeatedly about reasons for why one team lost or why one team won or why one team should be considered #1 . Be happy that you premaded and had a blast with your guild! Plus, guilds will get better the more times they get to premade. Right now, people are so scared of losing that half the guilds disband after losing one premade.

I think we need to agree to disagree on this issue! hehe

 

[Stubs]

anyone in underground or VD feel free to add my real id Vianco#1400 and maybe we can talk about setting some premades up in the future, not sure how many of our players are gone during this summer but add my btag and talk to me about it if you are interested

Stubx <Rogh Love>

 

[Khaos]

Im going to go back to my statement of Unless your have premaded/recorded flawless play get off our backs, we agree there was alot of mistakes made, but the games were fun and in our opinions thats all that matters, if you dont like it then form your 10 man guild premade more than once and not disband, then maybe we can talk. Till then Haters, keep on hating on our fun


I will talk to ya later Stubz, I still got ya on Btag, just gotta get word from the GM

 

[Tombrady]

derv i waited @ the bike rak all day kid u dont show up then u come back dropin smacks kid come@ me ill knock your block

he was too busy upholding the ideology of the expectation of improvement

 

[anatomyx]

If you honestly think that him calling these games "practicemades" and over all demeaning the authenticity of the Premades they participated in is "constructive criticism" you are mistaken.

lol obviously i don't agree with stuff like that being said, but some people who actually offered advice were immediately dismissed for being "elitist". that's my issue with this whole thing.

the thing is, when the OP made a video of the games, he immediately put himself out there for getting his play judged. i really doubt it would be very bad normally... but when it's the level 19 bracket which has very minimal abilities and you straight up never use a really game breaking one like roar of sacrifice once in the entire game, obviously people are going to comment on it

it's like watching a priest video and the priest never uses power word shield

it's not about having perfect play because no one plays perfectly, it's about at least using the tools your class has to help your team out, even if they aren't used in optimal situations

 

[Eliot]

lol obviously i don't agree with stuff like that being said, but some people who actually offered advice were immediately dismissed for being "elitist". that's my issue with this whole thing.

the thing is, when the OP made a video of the games, he immediately put himself out there for getting his play judged. i really doubt it would be very bad normally... but when it's the level 19 bracket which has very minimal abilities and you straight up never use a really game breaking one like roar of sacrifice once in the entire game, obviously people are going to comment on it

it's like watching a priest video and the priest never uses power word shield

it's not about having perfect play because no one plays perfectly, it's about at least using the tools your class has to help your team out, even if they aren't used in optimal situations

If only I remembered I had said tool, and whoever said it wasn't bound it actually was.

 

[Karmaz]

If only I remembered I had said tool, and whoever said it wasn't bound it actually was.

I'm not sure whats worse then... not having it bound and not using it or having it bound and not using it

: \

 

[Revolution]

Ok so who's posting these wall of texts on Derv's account. We all know Derv doesn't talk like that. I usually spend 5 minutes trying to understand what he said

 

[Karmaz]

My point is that it doesn't matter so much who loses and it's not worth arguing repeatedly about reasons for why one team lost or why one team won or why one team should be considered #1 . Be happy that you premaded and had a blast with your guild!

Looking back and analyzing gameplay is essential to improving. I hope it isn't an argument because there are some pretty clear cut reasons as to why a loss was a loss.

Plus, guilds will get better the more times they get to premade. Right now, people are so scared of losing that half the guilds disband after losing one premade.

I think we need to agree to disagree on this issue! hehe

I highly disagree with this statement, if it were true than why haven't the people and guilds who have been playing for years gotten any better? Whatever previously used methods obviously haven't worked. You don't just get better by spamming games. Sure experience helps but it's never going to do you any good if you just play mindlessly and glaze over.

Right now the biggest issue the top guild face is that they want highly competitive games, its hard to field 20 players when the bracket is filled with unfathomable levels of mongoloids and idiots.

I mean if you want to sweep the issue under the rug, be my guest. Just don't whine and complain when people call you out for things that you refused to address.

 

[Zatox]

Its pretty apparent that both guilds need alot of work, but the point still stands that everyone who participated in them had fun.

Now that we've crossed the bridge that both teams played awfully, can we stop beating this dead horse? The poor thing is probably just a pile of mush after 8 pages of this topic.

 

[Tombrady]

i wish there were videos of jumungie clone premades