Veteran guides / threads - Why are they in the F2P section

[AlbinoCow]

Anybody talking about veterans should post in the 20-29 section, not only does it just generally belong there more, u will find better answers there. Everyone always brings money into the equation of whether the person is f2p or p2p, but i believe thats stupid. This bracket has always been about the restrictions placed on trial accounts and twinking with it, not playing this game for free. I personally have had a subbed account where i had my f2p restricted chars for the past 2+ years. topback, swelly, others have done the same. We were / are all considered on par with other f2ps in that regard by nearly everyone i have ever met. Lofi's f2p ranked thread allowed f2p restricted p2ps to be on list, and nobody cared about whether i payed for the game, it was that i was using the same gear restrictions as everyone else. Many. many f2ps have gone vet, but that doesnt mean u should use the f2p bracket to hold ur threads and guides. Because those guides and threads will never help any f2p restricted toon and the community can't help u. The ppl answering veteran questions are ppl who already have vets / p2ps and would help u just as much in the 20-29 section. So far the moderation on this type of thing has been quite low, [MENTION=8138]Kincaide[/MENTION] . Talk about why u believe i am wrong, or right.

 

[Mrcer]

That's definitely a touchy subject. If it bothers people that much, Mods could definitely make another sub forum that specifically titled Veteran Twinking. But then again that's not much different than F2P twinking. So that would have to be up to mods.

EDIT: I personally wouldn't be against it.

 

[Digitaldreams]

I can see the argument for both ways and why vets would/would not belong in either section to be honest. Vets have more things in common with f2ps with no sub and more with p2ps with one.

We are not full blown p2ps and still have to play under f2p restrictions when time is up, and for many old f2ps that will be forever after the $5 bchest upgrade lapses. But neither are we f2ps as we are playing with things unavailable to pure f2ps. It's a confusing situation and I don't envy the mods when deciding where to place us. Maybe another sub forum would be best if it's going to cause issues and have people derailing threads all the time arguing over what belongs where?

 

[Mrcer]

I can see the argument for both ways and why vets would/would not belong in either section to be honest. Vets have more things in common with f2ps with no sub and more with p2ps with one.

I agree with that statement. Which makes it difficult.

 

[AlbinoCow]

Every guide / question that has been asked about vet has been about chants f2ps cant get, gear f2ps cant get, and so on. They do not belong in the f2p section, this community did not stick together because everyone talks about how they pay nothing for the game. Vets dont need their own section the 20-29 section will supply all answers about things f2ps cant do / get and as far as them going into f2p restriction after, its still a little different than actual f2p restrictions and should still not be in the f2p section

 

[Light]

I kinda agree with this. If you want your veteran to get rated then go to 20-29 section....



..after all TECHNICALLY you are a 20... And 20 p2ps have been on that section BEFORE veterans.... So yeah you will get better responses

 

[Spiriel]

Technically 275 versatility or other sec stat, 10% movement speed, ~80 prim stat + wep enchant dont feel like f2p or restricted to me.

 

[Ðoom]

Well to a certain extent the content surounding veterans are equally relevant to F2P's the only thing that greatly differ as you stated are the enchants which in itself is a minor thing.

Even tho I (had) both a Veteran and F2P account I didn't mind the Vet specific threads/questions since I could still use their characters armor for finding out which gear scales the best etc..

But as Cer said i'm all for a vet specific section.

 

[Soldjah]

Move non-restricted things out of F2P forum. They are no longer f2p. Elemental force doesn't count as f2p, my dear.

/farewell

 

[Stamm]

If an argument whether something was purely f2p or not didn't pop up every time someone posted a useful bit a of information that pertains to veterans, where the information was wouldn't really be an issue. I like knowing how things work, even if they don't pertain to me, because then I can at least better understand how to counter them. Veteran is kind of a grey zone where the community is predominantly with the f2p's but the gear restrictions/guides are more along the lines of p2p.

 

[Goesid]

It's about gear not paying. Can't tell if it's a restricted char or an f2p from inspecting. It's about gear not paying, always has been.

Can we please just wave torches and pitchforks and get it over with now. No moderator backlash from Kincaide about the tricky rocess or an essay about joining together.

 

[Allybeboba]

Because the majority of the veterans probably still consider themselves trials. That is why they put it here. You people argue about the sky being blue or the grass being green. pathetic...

 

[Syrayeda]

i answer veteran questions even though i have not yet bought the game. cos in the process, i find answers for myself so i will know exactly what to do when i do buy it. i like to plan ahead and not rush into things.

as for 20-29s section, i dont even check there. not that its not useful or anything, just that i have gotten useful to clicking on this page and not the other sections. a habit that i have not changed.

the way to solve this would be if a mod officially states where veteran posts should be, not just everyone else trying to reason why their point of view is better. the fact is everyone has already made up their minds and not many people are willing to accept other peoples' point of view no matter how convincing they are

 

[AlbinoCow]

It shouldnt be up to the mods, it should be up to the ppl. If u want veteran chants / gear ideas the 20-29 section is many times more helpful. F2P is about gear restrictions, which is what i said in the op and many other ppl agree. I cant imagine how u could consider f2p twinking to be about not paying for the game first and foremost.

 

[Syrayeda]

if it were up to the people, half would post in the f2p section and half would post in the 20-29s section. 5% of the people on the f2p section would complain that they belong in the 20-29s section, while the other 95% would provide helpful replies

 

[Bizarre]

It could go both ways.

Vet with an active sub = 20-29
Vet with an inactive sub = F2P

Even though Vets are paying for the game at least once, they still revert back to F2P once the time runs out. So technically, you could say they are influenced by both?

I like the idea of having a Veteran sub-forum.
Perhaps, if there was a sub-forum link in both the F2P and 20-29 section that leads to the same Veteran sub-forum? That way both sections have the option of viewing the Veteran sub-forum, thus receiving valid info and opinions from both communities.

Not sure if that's possible though.

 

[Goesid]

It could go both ways.

Vet with an active sub = 20-29
Vet with an inactive sub = F2P

Even though Vets are paying for the game at least once, they still revert back to F2P once the time runs out. So technically, you could say they are influenced by both?

I like the idea of having a Veteran sub-forum.
Perhaps, if there was a sub-forum link in both the F2P and 20-29 section that leads to the same Veteran sub-forum? That way both sections have the option of viewing the Veteran sub-forum, thus receiving valid info and opinions from both communities.

Not sure if that's possible though.

No such thing as a vet with an active sub though.

 

[danny glover]

f2p is destined for the alternative twinking section

 

[Bizarre]

No such thing as a vet with an active sub though.

Sorry, perhaps the wrong terminology. If someone always has an active account, maybe you could say they are Vet restricted? Otherwise, why not just level to 29? You're choosing to restrict yourself to level 20, but you have Vet benefits (enchants, AH use, more gold, etc.)

Now if a Vet restricted character chooses to let their subscription run out, they are choosing to restrict themselves even more, adding in the F2P restrictions.. OR maybe you have those people who have an old inactive account. They never paid for a subscription, but they choose to use the benefits of say, a 10 day free trial? Where do those players belong?

My god, it could go so many different ways at this point! My brain hurts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMVTOxELjfU

 

[Klinda]

At the end of the day, Vet's are so similar to f2ps that I don't think that it's really worth the extra hassle to create a new section. I mean really, what really separates vets from f2ps? Some enchants? Looms? amount of bag space and a couple of other things? Sure, but I really don't think that requires an entirely different section or transition to 20-29 section. Instead of making a new section, why don't we add a [Vet] tag to each thread that pertains to vet information? It's simple and if you're a f2p, you'll know that the thread isn't for you.