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iaccidentallytwink
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Zuty said:
Not at all.
Uberman Sleep Cycle / Polyphasic Sleep
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Not at all.
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iaccidentallytwink
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Falkor said:
You've yet to tell me why it's not a good idea other than that there's not enough research.
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iaccidentallytwink said:
other than there's enough scientific research done to show that 8+ hours is strongly suggested by real doctors. and that even when military people have to change sleeping schedules they required the same total time just segmented throughout the day.
but hey, bloggers have never been wrong. you never have touched on the fact you put more stock in random bloggers than wikipedia.
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iaccidentallytwink
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Falkor said:
Wikipedia doesn't suggest that it's bad.
I don't trust that bloggers are posting facts. What they are posting, though, are anecdotes which I take into strong consideration.
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"The U.S. military has studied fatigue countermeasures. An Air Force report states:
Each individual nap should be long enough to provide at least 45 continuous minutes of sleep, although longer naps (2 hours) are better. In general, the shorter each individual nap is, the more frequent the naps should be (the objective remains to acquire a daily total of 8 hours of sleep)."
they studied it. their conclusion was above. clearly "uberman" isnt effective, read healthy.
now lets see what the canadian military found:
"researchers caution that levels of performance achieved using ultrashort sleep (short naps) to temporarily replace normal sleep are always well below that achieved when fully rested.[9]"
oh performance when using short naps is ALWAYS well below that achieved when fully rested...hmmm, that means there are major differences between living on short naps and full rest.
and nasa you say?
"Longer naps were found to be better, with some cognitive functions benefiting more from napping than others. Vigilance and basic alertness benefited the least while working memory benefited greatly"
italians conducted tests with naps totaling to 8 hrs too.
could humans be biphasic? probably. i mean look all over the world where people have their version of siestas. "One study suggests that during periods of short daylight (~10 hours, as in winter), humans will adopt a biphasic sleep pattern.[13] Another study indicates that this will happen whenever humans are removed from artificial light".
critiques on ubermaneque crap. unhealthy crap.
"Critics such as psychologist and software entrepreneur Piotr Woźniak consider the theory behind severe reduction of total sleep time by way of short naps unsound, claiming that there is no brain control mechanism that would make it possible to adapt to the "multiple naps" system. They say that the body will always tend to consolidate sleep into at least one solid block, and express concern that the ways in which the ultrashort nappers attempt to limit total sleep time, restrict time spent in the various stages of the sleep cycle, and disrupt their circadian rhythms, will eventually cause them to suffer the same negative effects as those with other forms of sleep deprivation and circadian rhythm sleep disorders, such as decreased mental and physical ability, increased stress and anxiety, and a weakened immune system."
"Woźniak further claims to have scanned the blogs of polyphasic sleepers and found that they have to choose an "engaging activity" again and again just to stay awake and that polyphasic sleep does not improve one's learning ability or creativity."
(id suggest you read Polyphasic Sleep: Facts and Myths as well, ya know...in all that free time)
now for your so called uberman: "it is not clear when Fuller practiced any such sleep pattern, and whether it was really as strictly periodic as claimed in that article"
so there is no proof the so called inventor even used this method. his "method" was also just a short article in 1943 Times. not exactly a scientific journal.
awaiting scientific proof from your blog buddies. proof other than this is just a big unhealthy fad.
Each individual nap should be long enough to provide at least 45 continuous minutes of sleep, although longer naps (2 hours) are better. In general, the shorter each individual nap is, the more frequent the naps should be (the objective remains to acquire a daily total of 8 hours of sleep)."
they studied it. their conclusion was above. clearly "uberman" isnt effective, read healthy.
now lets see what the canadian military found:
"researchers caution that levels of performance achieved using ultrashort sleep (short naps) to temporarily replace normal sleep are always well below that achieved when fully rested.[9]"
oh performance when using short naps is ALWAYS well below that achieved when fully rested...hmmm, that means there are major differences between living on short naps and full rest.
and nasa you say?
"Longer naps were found to be better, with some cognitive functions benefiting more from napping than others. Vigilance and basic alertness benefited the least while working memory benefited greatly"
italians conducted tests with naps totaling to 8 hrs too.
could humans be biphasic? probably. i mean look all over the world where people have their version of siestas. "One study suggests that during periods of short daylight (~10 hours, as in winter), humans will adopt a biphasic sleep pattern.[13] Another study indicates that this will happen whenever humans are removed from artificial light".
critiques on ubermaneque crap. unhealthy crap.
"Critics such as psychologist and software entrepreneur Piotr Woźniak consider the theory behind severe reduction of total sleep time by way of short naps unsound, claiming that there is no brain control mechanism that would make it possible to adapt to the "multiple naps" system. They say that the body will always tend to consolidate sleep into at least one solid block, and express concern that the ways in which the ultrashort nappers attempt to limit total sleep time, restrict time spent in the various stages of the sleep cycle, and disrupt their circadian rhythms, will eventually cause them to suffer the same negative effects as those with other forms of sleep deprivation and circadian rhythm sleep disorders, such as decreased mental and physical ability, increased stress and anxiety, and a weakened immune system."
"Woźniak further claims to have scanned the blogs of polyphasic sleepers and found that they have to choose an "engaging activity" again and again just to stay awake and that polyphasic sleep does not improve one's learning ability or creativity."
(id suggest you read Polyphasic Sleep: Facts and Myths as well, ya know...in all that free time)
now for your so called uberman: "it is not clear when Fuller practiced any such sleep pattern, and whether it was really as strictly periodic as claimed in that article"
so there is no proof the so called inventor even used this method. his "method" was also just a short article in 1943 Times. not exactly a scientific journal.
awaiting scientific proof from your blog buddies. proof other than this is just a big unhealthy fad.
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iaccidentallytwink
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Falkor said:
The fact that no studies have been done on Polyphasic sleep means it cannot be called unhealthy.
(inb4 retarded analogy like "We've never tested if it's unhealthy to fly into the sun either.")
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The reason this thread has annoyed me from the start is not the attention you're trying to create for yourself here, but the way you respond to people that are pointing out serious arguments. Here's one message for you: if you spend those extra hours trolling like you are right now it has definitely not been worth it.
Anyway, complete your project and let us know. Untill then I don't see the point in further discussing it with you.
Anyway, complete your project and let us know. Untill then I don't see the point in further discussing it with you.
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iaccidentallytwink said:
more like
inb4 various national militaries and other govt entities did studies on sleep and concluded short napping wasnt effective or healthy compared to longer naps totaling at least 8hrs, which in turn was less effective than a normal nights sleep. hurrrrrrr. i know its hard to read, but h christ you have all this new found free time and you refuse to read.
other doctors/psychologies/social scienties have also done numerous studies on sleep. its not like they randomly pulled "hey get 8hrs rest" out of a hat w/o other choices....obviously tests have been conducted. if you choose to look the other way, fine...that's your choice. just do so knowing youre a dumbass. post back when you take and pass high school or higher level bio/health/psych and dont just rely on unreliable anecdotes from a few bloggers.
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Some people only require 4-5 hours sleep a night to function properly. They aren't physically able to sleep more (I know at least 1).
I'm just saying, it's not always best to get 8 hours sleep or what not. A lot is dependant on the individual. Who isn't to say someone has found this method extremely useful and rewarding, without any downsides? While others might get 'f*cked up' by attempting to pull this off.
I believe that scientists and smart people, extremists and others can give us all the evaluations they want, no one is yet to find a cure for things such as insomnia etc. We aren't as smart as we think we are, honestly.
I'm just saying, it's not always best to get 8 hours sleep or what not. A lot is dependant on the individual. Who isn't to say someone has found this method extremely useful and rewarding, without any downsides? While others might get 'f*cked up' by attempting to pull this off.
I believe that scientists and smart people, extremists and others can give us all the evaluations they want, no one is yet to find a cure for things such as insomnia etc. We aren't as smart as we think we are, honestly.
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lindenkron said:
it is always best to get 8+hrs of sleep. if people physically CANT sleep 8 straight hours, then that is when they should try taking two 4-5 hour naps (we're pretty much wired to be biphasial anyways) to get their required rest.
random bloggers lying and showing off when there have been numerous studies on sleep showing nothing is effective as a full nights rest. this uberman is pure bs. scientists dont give the same "evaluations" as a blogger or extremist. scientists are unbiased and only report the conclusions reached from following the scientific method. these other so called "smart people" and "extremists" makes blogs and post what ever biased they want w/o gathering any data.
your point about a cure for insomnia makes no sense. first of all we have invented sleep aids and sedatives and tranquilizers, etc. but thats just a heavy handed method. if a person CANT sleep then something is wrong in their mind. and it does take a toll on them. cases like that are when they should be napping several times a day to get their total 8 hrs, not taking 20min naps 6 times a day.
we are still making great advances in learning about the human mind, but it is the most complicated thing we have so it's understandable that it will take a long time, if we ever do, to unlock its secrets.
as for h nasty. what does it matter if its less healthy? it means people shouldnt do it. if he wants to thats fine, but i dont want him using TI as his soapbox preaching this unhealthy lifestyle. he can start his own website/blog if he cares to. then he can be friend with all those other weirdos. just like drinking alcohol, smoking, and other unhealthy life choices one should research and understand what it does before trying it. they should also be of age. but sadly for things like this and crash diets, etc there is no age limit. so this freshmen tard is free to do this "method"....the only reason i care is b/c he refuses to admit its not natural or healthy. but then again he is just a 14 year old.
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iaccidentallytwink
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I'm neither a freshman, tard, or 14 years old, but okay.
I've decided to stop doing this in light of your last few posts, but I still think this has some substance to it, otherwise so many people wouldn't be trying it and succeeding in some fashion. I plan on trying it again later this year.
Either way, it seems doing this for short bursts of time has really helped people's productivity, so I might try this when nearing a big project that needs to be done quick.
I've decided to stop doing this in light of your last few posts, but I still think this has some substance to it, otherwise so many people wouldn't be trying it and succeeding in some fashion. I plan on trying it again later this year.
Either way, it seems doing this for short bursts of time has really helped people's productivity, so I might try this when nearing a big project that needs to be done quick.
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iaccidentallytwink said:
I think what some of these people have been suggesting IAT is that it may be more useful and healthy to just better manage/co-ordinate your time rather then mess w/ this kinda stuff. You can do what you want, ultimately, but the potential side effects probably out-weigh the potential positives on this one. GL doing whatever you decide to do.
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iaccidentallytwink said:
in short bursts it could mildly help productivity (more time to work, but trade off reduced cognitive ability). the only problem would be that it requires the ramp up time of sleep deprivation to get on schedule. so unless you were planning on procrastinating, its not that useful and just regular burning of the midnight oil (i.e regular staying up/energy drinks) would be more effective. like i said ive stayed up for long periods of time finishing projects, but thats due to poor time management. i think if you evaluate your time table you should have plenty of time if you so choose.
and be wary of bloggers claiming results and such. just like people who practiced the atkins diet appeared to be healthy and losing weight...but they really werent. i know ive beaten that analogy to death, but its the closest thing i can think of. could seem to have substance and nice anecdotal "evidence" but really be awful for your health.