Uberman Sleep Cycle / Polyphasic Sleep

[tweedledum]

cuz it isnt healthy ; )

but most people nowadays apparently didnt pay attention in bio/psych/health and do a lot of things that people claim are healthy. especially in the diet world.....oh well, i guess darwinism is a good thing, heck we could use more of it!

I know, I was young and naive lul, in addition to the method being hyped to extreme levels over here

 

[Turtlez]

You just want to have more time to game dont you????













































faggot

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

So aside from a messed up internal clock you have no basis for stating it's unhealthy? I get more REM sleep and in a week I will not be sleep deprived in any way, that is not how it works. You're not sleep deprived into getting the naps, you get adjusted to it. Your clock does adjust.

My point is - a human being has never had benefit from something that is different than what their instinct tells them. The ability to think only made us less efficient.

um. Almost all mammals are Polyphasic, and humans used to be as well.



And really? Thinking has made us less efficient? Last I checked our processors double their resistors every 18 months.

 

[Falkor]

ummm you do not get the same amount of rem buddy. even assuming you pass straight out when you put head to pillow, you do not get the same amount of rem in a 20 or 30 min nap compared to an 8-9 hour sleep. this includes all the different levels of sleep. i mean clearly you know nothing. even on the wiki in the area about military use it says the US army only uses such things when they get the equivilant of 8 hrs a day (8 hrs worth of power naps, but spread out) compared to 120mins (20min naps 6 times a day - thats every 4hrs)...fail.



also proof most animals are polyphasic? afaik most animals are either like us, or reversed (normal vs. nocturnal)



and its not like humans suddenly started biphasal or w/e sleeping at the turn of the century...weve had our way for a long ass time which is why the cicadian rythem or w/e is human nature; it didnt just happen over night.



and furthermore there is no practical use for this.

do you expect to go to school and have them allow you to nap? i mean in college you can...but considering you will be paying hundreds of dollars per credit hour to nap, not the best decision.

and if/when you get a job, dont expect them to pay you the same as another guy when you demand to take naps on the job.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

For one, humans are biphasic at the moment.

And next, if I hit REM in 5 minutes (entirely possible and is the entire point of this deprivation, until I adjust), I get the equivalent of 8 hours right there.

I can sleep right before first period and during lunch. I don't know how it will work out past High School, I doubt I'll even make it for more than a few months but I guess I'll see.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

Practicality isn't a valid argument. I could argue that we need to sleep 12 hours a day because we don't get enough sleep with 8.

 

[stickymitten]

Seems like a kind of ridiculously meticulous regime to go through with just for a few extra hours.

Also organizing work/a social life if you have one would be very difficult id imagine.



Hold up guys I gotta power nap 20mins real quick, brb.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

Seems like a kind of ridiculously meticulous regime to go through with just for a few extra hours.

Also organizing work/a social life if you have one would be very difficult id imagine.



Hold up guys I gotta power nap 20mins real quick, brb.

It is rather ridiculous to start it, but 6 hours a day builds up over time, as long as I succeed and go for at least 2 weeks feeling good with it I'll be satisfied.

 

[Quelfep]

(normal vs. nocturnal)

we are diurnal, not "normal". that's like saying being nocturnal is not normal. one time my friend said he counted and concurred that in his home room, he had more Asians than "normal" people.

 

[Turtlez]

what is your argument for sleeping that little, if you cant answer anything involving a computer?

 

[Falkor]

we are diurnal, not "normal". that's like saying being nocturnal is not normal. one time my friend said he counted and concurred that in his home room, he had more Asians than "normal" people.

ah but dinural is normal for us. so therefore nocturnal is not normal for us.

as for your friend vs asians...ok



iat, proof humans havent been biphasic in the past? when you say we are now, or for now, you sound as if we just started this century or something. but then why are our internal clocks human nature.

also in 15mins you do not get the same amount of rem or the different cycles of sleep as you would during an 8hr+ rest.

it wont work very well at all out of high school. either in college or in the work place.

practicality is a valid argument. the so called inventor of this cycle stopped using it b/c it wasnt practicle (again, see wiki...and there was no solid proof he even used this method, much less for 2 years. still think its healthy?)

also 8hrs vs 12 isnt logical since 8 is enough. i would love to sleep 12 hours a day...but again, not practical and also hard to maintain.



p.s sad you do this for a wee bit more programming. its pretty clear you have no social life irl and dont play any sports or anything of that nature. seeing as if you did this schedule wouldnt work.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

iat, proof humans havent been biphasic in the past? when you say we are now, or for now, you sound as if we just started this century or something. but then why are our internal clocks human nature.

Wikipedia said so. It must be true.

also in 15mins you do not get the same amount of rem or the different cycles of sleep as you would during an 8hr+ rest.

You're right. You get more. In 20 minute naps it adds up to 1.5 to 2 hours assuming you fall asleep and start dreaming within 5 minutes (which I did my last 2 naps). The average REM sleep per night for a normal person is 1.5 hours.

it wont work very well at all out of high school. either in college or in the work place.

practicality is a valid argument. the so called inventor of this cycle stopped using it b/c it wasnt practicle (again, see wiki...and there was no solid proof he even used this method, much less for 2 years. still think its healthy?)

also 8hrs vs 12 isnt logical since 8 is enough. i would love to sleep 12 hours a day...but again, not practical and also hard to maintain.



p.s sad you do this for a wee bit more programming. its pretty clear you have no social life irl and dont play any sports or anything of that nature. seeing as if you did this schedule wouldnt work.

The inventor tested it, and so did many other people. How is it not being practical even an argument for it being unhealthy?

I've got a social life. I can still have one with naps. I just can't smoke weed erryday, and make sure when I'm with my friends that I don't do anything that would take up long chunks of time. I could always ask them to chill at McDonalds for half an hour so I can nap and they'll do whatever the fuck. That being said, I don't plan on going anywhere until Labor Day Weekend because it's Day 5 and if I don't start dreaming every time starting today I'm certain I'll be insane by tomorrow. When I go to Electric Zoo with my mom and friends. I'm gonna miss my 12PM nap the first day but oh well, I'll take some caffeine at around 11:30. I can still live through my life with naps, at least for now. I'll see how it goes, practical or not. It's not like I'm out with friends from 2AM - 8AM every single day, most of the time I'm at home, so I will be using the time for programming, but not everyday. And no, I don't play sports, but if I did, this schedule would not affect it.

 

[Turtlez]

I've got a social life. I can still have one with naps. I just can't smoke weed erryday, and make sure when I'm with my friends that I don't do anything that would take up long chunks of time. I could always ask them to chill at McDonalds for half an hour so I can nap and they'll do whatever the fuck. That being said, I don't plan on going anywhere until Labor Day Weekend because it's Day 5 and if I don't start dreaming every time starting today I'm certain I'll be insane by tomorrow. When I go to Electric Zoo with my mom and friends. I'm gonna miss my 12PM nap the first day but oh well, I'll take some caffeine at around 11:30. I can still live through my life with naps, at least for now. I'll see how it goes, practical or not. It's not like I'm out with friends from 2AM - 8AM every single day, most of the time I'm at home, so I will be using the time for programming, but not everyday. And no, I don't play sports, but if I did, this schedule would not affect it.

taking naps on mcdonalds at day. gaming at night!

 

[Falkor]

Wikipedia said so. It must be true.

so you're not going to disprove me then? you are the one purporting that humans just recently became biphasal and our internal clocks arent human nature...

You're right. You get more. In 20 minute naps it adds up to 1.5 to 2 hours assuming you fall asleep and start dreaming within 5 minutes (which I did my last 2 naps). The average REM sleep per night for a normal person is 1.5 hours.

assuming it takes 5mins to fall asleep and hit rem, thats 15minutes of rem sleep, 6 times a day, 90mins total = 1.5 hrs. except its not the same b/c you arent getting the same amount of rem cycles (it isnt JUST rem...there are phases of rem and you arent getting the same effect in 15mins as you would over an 8hr period).



oh and speaking of health...yes...it is unhealthy. b/c you are depriving your body of precious time to repair and rest, body as well as mind. speaking of mind all that time sleeping helps with memory function and other cognitive processes. ever heard of getting a good days rest before taking a test?

i mean i dont see why you are fighting this so hard. other than the fact you are a freshmen and/or havent paid attention in any classes related to the brain (such as bio/psych/health).

The inventor tested it, and so did many other people. How is it not being practical even an argument for it being unhealthy?

there's really no proof the inventor tested it, especially no hard evidence he tested it for a whole two years. i know you dont trust wikipedia, but look at it again. and if this method worked so well you'd think the US army would use it, or other people would endorse it.....lets think here. as for health arguments, see above part again. there are many benefits to a full nights sleep vs power naps. especially for a person your age.



you have no reason to do this other than you think its cool.

programming isnt your job, you are in HS. therefore there is really no point. fine, go test it out, have a blast. but dont be fooled that its healthy and normal. at least concede that.



oh and if you did play sports you wouldnt be able to do this seeing as you'd have practice during nap time....and the fact your body and mind would be unprepared to handle physical activity on power naps (try sleep deprivation and power naps then power lifting/football/soccer/rugby/baseball....anything, it wont be fun or pretty)

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

so you're not going to disprove me then? you are the one purporting that humans just recently became biphasal and our internal clocks arent human nature...

I'll get back to this when I'm sane again.

assuming it takes 5mins to fall asleep and hit rem, thats 15minutes of rem sleep, 6 times a day, 90mins total = 1.5 hrs. except its not the same b/c you arent getting the same amount of rem cycles (it isnt JUST rem...there are phases of rem and you arent getting the same effect in 15mins as you would over an 8hr period).

That is the entire point of this cycle. To only do REM sleep, and in equal amounts as normal sleep. There is no proven negative effect to skipping the stages (by experience, NOT scientific testing), except for craving Grapes and Anti-Oxidants, and possible growth, but that is due to time awake, not due to the actual cycle.

oh and speaking of health...yes...it is unhealthy. b/c you are depriving your body of precious time to repair and rest, body as well as mind. speaking of mind all that time sleeping helps with memory function and other cognitive processes. ever heard of getting a good days rest before taking a test?

i mean i dont see why you are fighting this so hard. other than the fact you are a freshmen and/or havent paid attention in any classes related to the brain (such as bio/psych/health).

As I've already stated, REM is the repair stage, which is what I'm getting a full duration of, if not more.

there's really no proof the inventor tested it, especially no hard evidence he tested it for a whole two years. i know you dont trust wikipedia, but look at it again. and if this method worked so well you'd think the US army would use it, or other people would endorse it.....lets think here. as for health arguments, see above part again. there are many benefits to a full nights sleep vs power naps. especially for a person your age.

There are tons of blogs about people testing it. Of course you can conclude that they're all lying scumbags but that would be a stupid assumption. The US army would not start testing humans for fear of it being unhealthy, because there is no scientific evidence, only experiences. This does not disqualify it as a good method. In addition, 2 hour naps for 8 hours total, what the army currently does, is an instant adaptation as opposed to 10 days of hell trying to do Uberman.

you have no reason to do this other than you think its cool.

programming isnt your job, you are in HS. therefore there is really no point. fine, go test it out, have a blast. but dont be fooled that its healthy and normal. at least concede that.

I'm not doing it because it's cool, I could use more time, I think anyone can, really. Programming is what I plan on doing the rest of my life, I'll be practicing with my 6 hours. I'm not saying it's normal, but as far as experience and experiments go (brain scans have been voluntarily done by some of the Polyphasic sleepers doing uberman), there was no deterioration after 3 months. I don't ever plan on going farther than that, but in the case that I even make it close to that I will stop if I feel any performance drops in any parts of my mental ability.

oh and if you did play sports you wouldnt be able to do this seeing as you'd have practice during nap time....and the fact your body and mind would be unprepared to handle physical activity on power naps (try sleep deprivation and power naps then power lifting/football/soccer/rugby/baseball....anything, it wont be fun or pretty)

There was a blog about the cycle started by a teen that plays sports frequently, it did the opposite of negatively affecting his performance.

 

[Falkor]

I'll get back to this when I'm sane again.That is the entire point of this cycle. To only do REM sleep, and in equal amounts as normal sleep. There is no proven negative effect to skipping the stages (by experience, NOT scientific testing), except for craving Grapes and Anti-Oxidants, and possible growth, but that is due to time awake, not due to the actual cycle.As I've already stated, REM is the repair stage, which is what I'm getting a full duration of, if not more.

rem is great and all but there are reasons we have other stages of sleep and not just rem...otherwise we would have already adapted/evolved into skipping straight to it. but im glad your experience > scientific testing

btw you have no proof you are instantly (or rather 5mins later) falling straight into your rem cycle. you have no proof that you are getting the same health benefits for your mind and body sleeping in 20min periods vs 8hrs+

glad you admitted you are going crazy tho. sounds healthy

There are tons of blogs about people testing it. Of course you can conclude that they're all lying scumbags but that would be a stupid assumption.

its not that i think they're lying scumbags....its just the fact that ANYONE can make a blog. they could be lying, or they could just be blessed with an extra chromosome and not know what's healthy and what isnt.

The US army would not start testing humans for fear of it being unhealthy, because there is no scientific evidence, only experiences. This does not disqualify it as a good method. In addition, 2 hour naps for 8 hours total, what the army currently does, is an instant adaptation as opposed to 10 days of hell trying to do Uberman.

the army has done a lot more unsafe/unhealthy things to test stuff....i see no reason they wouldnt test this method. and if they have that means they've concluded that it isnt healthy for a preforming soldier. and these are the people that give pilots speed. i think they know whats up. notice how they nap for longer and for an equal time of a full nights rest, not just total REM time. perhaps its b/c your brain does not immediatly fall into rem and your 20min naps arent adequate.

I'm not doing it because it's cool, I could use more time, I think anyone can, really. Programming is what I plan on doing the rest of my life, I'll be practicing with my 6 hours. I'm not saying it's normal, but as far as experience and experiments go (brain scans have been voluntarily done by some of the Polyphasic sleepers doing uberman), there was no deterioration after 3 months. I don't ever plan on going farther than that, but in the case that I even make it close to that I will stop if I feel any performance drops in any parts of my mental ability.

i for one dont need more time. if you cant accomplish what you need to during normal hours you need to rethink time management, seriously. the only thing i would do with more time is watch more tv and play more wow. i have enough time to go to class, work, and do homework and still have a social life (and a gaming life)...i think im set.

great you want more practice. but if you cant fit it in...well try scheduling better. like you said, you dont play sports and your social life isnt that jumping. i dont see why you cant do it during the day. its not like other programmers are saying you cant be good if you dont do this!111

i call hearsay on brain scans. interweb blogs always tell the truff! the guy who mistrusts wikipedia sure puts a lot of stock into blogs. at least wikipedia is moderated and fact checked. and has links to sources.

There was a blog about the cycle started by a teen that plays sports frequently, it did the opposite of negatively affecting his performance.

kay and he's a liar seeing as you cant nap during 2/3 a days and 20min naps would not give your body (read: muscles) time to replenish after lifting weights or doing other physical exercise, much less your mind.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

okay so your argument remains that everyone is lying.



Aside from that, there's this thing called dreaming. It's this self-diagnoses that notifies you that you're in REM.

derp.

 

[Falkor]

yes...but you have no concept of time when dreaming, even if you're also lucid dreaming while doing uberman. so you have no idea when you are entering or leaving rem. also unless you are lucky or practicing lucid dreaming you could dream and not remember it, or not dream at all. so that is not a very good yard stick.



and my argument isnt that everyone is lying. im saying they have no proof to support that is healthy. why would doctors say we need 8+ hours of sleep if we could do with less...hmmmm....again, it isnt a conspiracy to rob you of programming time.

again you are the one doubting the validity of wikipedia while putting all your faith in random blogs and such. sooooooooooooooo..............

 

[Grizzlybear]

iat i think i might have to try this... gotta live life to its fullest

 

[Quelfep]

for us.

so ?