preblindxd
Grandfathered
545's are nerfed, 515 is the new max ilvl for lvl70s. some of my 545 items changed the ilvl to 408 but some went 551 for some reason, i can equip the 551 even tho they req lvl76 and they also give the stats they say it does.
TWW 70s Guide & Armory
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preblindxd
Grandfathered
wierd i just checked on my chars and i can still use my 551, i even swapped the items and i could still use them with the same stats they have.
Edit : nvm indeed after relog they were red.
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sevenohseven
objectives or gtfo
did the delv stuff also get nurfed?
drake178
Member
It may be worth noting that the "new" 515 jewellery is currently not eligible for the Magnificent Jewelers Setting, so sockets can not be added to them. I'm not sure this will necessarily be fixed either, so you may want to ignore those in your shopping sprees for now.
sevenohseven
objectives or gtfo
any idea what level the toon needs to be to have the BoE greens looted have a 70 requirement?
sevenohseven
objectives or gtfo
just like the 545’s certain players see a means to make gold and are buying them all up to resell for 10k or more. id rather farm them in hopes of getting terts/sockets. im pretty sure members of the 70 com are farming delves but once again everything is hush hush.
drake178
Member
What is it with you and all this salt? Anyway, I'm almost certain they can't proc anything. I've bought over a hundred 515s now, and have looked over at least ten times that. I. Have. Not. Seen. A. Single. Proc. Of. Any. Kind. On any of them. I've been checking a dozen AHs multiple times a day. You see, I was hit pretty hard by the 545 nerf. I was doing the same thing when those first showed up, and there were upgrades galore on those pieces. In fact, I still had some waiting for the right person to give to when the bat hit, because I bought excess... This time won't be any different either, I recon, but I'm not going to try to figure out whether one of my 23 active 70s actually needs something that I know there is a click competition going for. I think I can easily afford losing the hundred gold if that's not the case (hell, I'm not even considering the option of actually putting the stuff back on the AH).
I did do some observations for you. Namely, I've armoried up all the "random" sellers I bought items from, and the majority of them were in the 75-77 range (excluding obvious bank alts/mains). There were a few lower (as low as 72), and a few higher (all the way up to just-dinged-80), but the peak of the curve seems to be 75. Obviously I have no way of telling whether the sellers were the actual finders, or whether they've leveled up after the drop. Like I said before, I don't have TWW, so I can't test anything. Do you? Can you?
To "farm" these, you'd probably need 2 TWW accounts: one with an XP-locked 69 and one with the level you're trying to farm at (I'd probably start at 72 or 73 to check what drops there), grouped so you can maximize the time spent at the desired level. Whether it's delves or hyperspawns, your guess is as good as mine. I've also seen at least one person trying to buy bismuth lockboxes again in trade chat. No clue what's the deal with those now, may be important, may not be. Hope that helps.
sevenohseven
objectives or gtfo
am i seeing 545’s with 70 req on the AH again?
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Coolzo
the Insane
Yes and no.
The old 545s don't fix themselves until you've relogged once; if the seller reposts them on the AH before they relog, they stay 545. If you buy one and equip it, it'll be fixed the next time you log in.
DON'T BUY 545s. They are 100% a scam at this stage. What you CAN buy are 515s, those are legit.
drake178
Member
I can confirm now that ilvl 515 req 70 gear drops for level 75 characters. It can also be obtained from Bismuth Lockboxes opened by level 75s. However, do note that depending on the source, the lockboxes typically attach a level requirement to themselves when looted, and this matches that of the character looting them. I'm not sure about regular drops, but any boxes pick-pocketed by level 80 rogues require level 80 to open as well.
At the same time, boxes looted from the Coral-Fused Clam (and possibly any other similar treasure) don't get this treatment, and require only 70 to open, even when the looting was done by a 80. We've opened two such boxes to test, one with a level 70, and one with a 75 (the boxes themselves were both looted by 80s). The first box dropped an ilvl408 piece, the second an ilvl 515 one. This suggests that the loot is not actually generated when the box is, blizz just dirty-fixed the lockbox sources themselves to strap on a level requirement for opening the box as a way to prevent them from being funneled to lower levels. There may be a way to bypass this, but I don't currently know one.
In any case, outside of grouping and dual-boxing, the best way to farm the 515 gear right now seems to be making a 75 rogue and pick-pocketing everything. Unlike the group-with-an-xp-locked-char-and-farm-whatever, this method carries no inherent time limit (as long as you vanish instead of fighting if spotted), and has no second person/account restriction. It also comes with the convenience of being able to pick the locks on the boxes on the spot. Happy farming (just try to leave some for us, if possible)!
At the same time, boxes looted from the Coral-Fused Clam (and possibly any other similar treasure) don't get this treatment, and require only 70 to open, even when the looting was done by a 80. We've opened two such boxes to test, one with a level 70, and one with a 75 (the boxes themselves were both looted by 80s). The first box dropped an ilvl408 piece, the second an ilvl 515 one. This suggests that the loot is not actually generated when the box is, blizz just dirty-fixed the lockbox sources themselves to strap on a level requirement for opening the box as a way to prevent them from being funneled to lower levels. There may be a way to bypass this, but I don't currently know one.
In any case, outside of grouping and dual-boxing, the best way to farm the 515 gear right now seems to be making a 75 rogue and pick-pocketing everything. Unlike the group-with-an-xp-locked-char-and-farm-whatever, this method carries no inherent time limit (as long as you vanish instead of fighting if spotted), and has no second person/account restriction. It also comes with the convenience of being able to pick the locks on the boxes on the spot. Happy farming (just try to leave some for us, if possible)!
Square
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sevenohseven
objectives or gtfo
randomly started a rogue this week so it must be fate lol. for half an expansion i farmed the boxes out in rivendreth on another rogue for 140 purps.i actually figured out how to get one box that always spawned inside a locked hut by using the zehvra cusion toy.
so open with 75 rogue but boxes can be looted by 80 is that the basic principle?
drake178
Member
Pickpocket-farm on a 75 rogue is the basic principle. Kill nothing. Steal everything. You can open treasures that don't give XP for some extras. My partner got nearly a guild bank tab full in the 2 days since she started doing this (okay, she does play a lot, but I think that's a pretty good yield). No upgrades, so don't expect any. 
80s can get lockboxes from treasures, but boxes dropped by mobs will likely require 80 to open, and thus be useless. Boxes pick-pocketed by a 80 rogue definitely are, that's what we tried first.
EDIT: on a side note, boxes looted by 70-74 probably can and should be funneled to a 75. If I had TWW, I'd probably start pick-pocketing at 70, killing the mobs afterwards, and leveling to 75 that way. We haven't tested this though, so I can't confirm whether it works or not (not yet anyway).
80s can get lockboxes from treasures, but boxes dropped by mobs will likely require 80 to open, and thus be useless. Boxes pick-pocketed by a 80 rogue definitely are, that's what we tried first.
EDIT: on a side note, boxes looted by 70-74 probably can and should be funneled to a 75. If I had TWW, I'd probably start pick-pocketing at 70, killing the mobs afterwards, and leveling to 75 that way. We haven't tested this though, so I can't confirm whether it works or not (not yet anyway).
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Square
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I only found two boxes doing this on my 70 rogue, and they were both from a solo dungeon instance. Haven't found good farm spots yet; has she had more success in certain areas than others? Or finding spots with rares/elites vs just random normal mobs?Pickpocket-farm on a 75 rogue is the basic principle. Kill nothing. Steal everything. You can open treasures that don't give XP for some extras. My partner got nearly a guild bank tab full in the 2 days since she started doing this (okay, she does play a lot, but I think that's a pretty good yield). No upgrades, so don't expect any.
80s can get lockboxes from treasures, but boxes dropped by mobs will likely require 80 to open, and thus be useless. Boxes pick-pocketed by a 80 rogue definitely are, that's what we tried first.
EDIT: on a side note, boxes looted by 70-74 probably can and should be funneled to a 75. If I had TWW, I'd probably start pick-pocketing at 70, killing the mobs afterwards, and leveling to 75 that way. We haven't tested this though, so I can't confirm whether it works or not (not yet anyway).
Think there's any loot difference between a 70 rogue and 75?
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Coolzo
the Insane
The rogue doing the pick-pocketing just needs to be in Khaz Algar and level 75 or below, but the level of loot does change depending on who OPENS the box. You can pick the lock on any level rogue that meets the box's level requirement, but leave the container unopened. Open them on your 75 to get level 515 greens. If you open them completely on a 70, you'll get 408s.
Glad the guide helped and you are enjoying your DH ^.^ zoom zoom
drake178
Member
She has a spot. Outdoors. Lots of candles. I can't tell you any more than that. I don't even know what zone it is. I'm not going to ask either. If other rogues suddenly start showing up there en-masse I'll be in big trouble (not to mention no more sweet lootz for me). Sorry about that!
She did say that it's very inconsistent - sometimes she'll get like 4 in a row, other times no drops for an hour. She checked delves beforehand, that didn't work out for her either. Didn't try dungeons, because she had this idea already, and this did seem to pan out with some perseverance. Good luck!
Oh, as for difference in loot, I don't think there is any (other than item levels), but I can't say for sure.
Square
New Member
Totally understandable, and thanks for the experiments!
I've since found a few spots with plenty of pickpocket-able mobs, though I'm not sure whether I should focus on rares, elites, or if ALL targetable mobs have a worthwhile chance to drop the loot, so I'll keep at it. No boxes from these areas I've found so far (still just the two from dungeons).
I ranked BS on my main to craft the keys (I heard some lv80 rogues say they couldn't unlock the boxes? if anyone can confirm this was their user-error, I'll level another rogue lol), and I've got an alt who's about to ding 75, so I'll send all my boxes for him to open. Wish me luck, and I'm doing the same for all of you experimenting out there!
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