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Everyone pays for things as a collective, and so everyone owns those things as a collective.

The government doesn't pay a dime from its own pockets.

If a government goes broke it has nothing to do with their ideology, but everything to do with their ineptitude.

Kinda like how the US government has been completely broke for many years now. How many trillions of debt did you guys have again?
 
Still hasn't acknowledged them.

Your excerpts were acknowledged my friend. You failed to read between the lines.
Okay, so you want me to read between the lines, but everything must be spelled out for you.

Not gonna happen. Either respond to the excerpts directly or stop feigning debate with nothing but ''list some countries and shit for me''.
 
Says he doesn't ignore anything.

Fails to acknowledge the excerpts.

Don't engage with the wild Allybeboba. It gets more defensive as it gets cornered.
 
Really, you state that Socialism has not been around a "long time"? Mid 1800's is quite a long time in my opinion.
And it just so happens that the countries that used socialism from the beginning still use it today.

Checkmate.

It has become painfully clear to me that you do not, however, intend to actually debate anything. You're just looking to troll people by saying things and then never defending them.

Have fun with that.
 
Kek..
Still waiting on that list of ignored questions.
Oh... And that socialist country that been around since the mid 1800's... Please name that one for us.
Come on we know you can do it. Checkmate remember that?
Because you annoy me I'll give you one more.

''name that one for us"
all of Europe. Starting with France, then the Netherlands, Germany, Spain, Portugal, England, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Russia, Poland, Czech Republic, the list quite literally goes on and on.

I don't take orders, I give them.
"I don't listen to others"

ok?
Still have not listed what I "ignored".
I've listed it multiple times now what the hell?

Oh ok so when it comes to Europe it's all just stories, but when it comes to the US, that's how it is.

Gotcha.

And I'm sure that this diversity you're talking about can only be found in The US, and everywhere else it's all the same people living together.

The government does not pay for the ''free'' stuff. The people collectively pay for it. Everyone chips in a little bit, so that everyone can get the healthcare they deserve when they end up needing it. It's not a matter of -if- they'll need it. Everyone -will- eventually need it. And then others will have made sure that they can get it.

Everyone pays for things as a collective, and so everyone owns those things as a collective.

The government doesn't pay a dime from its own pockets.

If a government goes broke it has nothing to do with their ideology, but everything to do with their ineptitude.

Kinda like how the US government has been completely broke for many years now. How many trillions of debt did you guys have again?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Looks good to me. Nothing going wrong there.

You claim Socialist countries do not prosper, while your country has the single greatest debt on the planet, with a projected debt of 22 TRILLION in 2020. Go capitalism.

I'm not responding anymore until you've adressed these things.
 
1. Smaller and easier to maintain.
1. "Easier" than what? What are we comparing? You asked us a question and I merely replied.
2. A number was stated.
2. Missed the number, but you get a few extra in my last post.
3. Of coarse your country's citizens rely on Socialism and it's government to mother them. Where as in the United States we like to be independent from our government. We don't like to live in nanny states and have to rely on our government. At least the overwhelming majority of Americans like to.
3. You seem to take great pride in "being independent from your goverment". I really thought you were more enlightened on the matter of socialism, since you seem to be so sure that it's flawed, but let me enlighten you. You are not dependent on your government even though you live in a country with democratic socialism, like my country. The government doesn't work as a "nanny", and I really hope you already know all this, and just tried to be a little edgy. The government and the social welfare system that resides in my country works as a security net that catches you if you are heading the wrong way financially; if you've lost your job, if you need a complicated operation, if you've become unable to work. If you able to provide for yourself, you won't see the government interfere.

Socialism chokes its country's and it's citizens growth in more ways than one.
Did you just ignore my previous statement? I'll provide you a link this time; http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

Almost all of their income goes to taxes.
Not really.

Why work when you are just going to pay your income to the government. Might as well just suck off the government teet and let someone else work for you.
This is one of the reasons why socialism doesn't work everywhere; difference in morality. But as a bearded old guy ones said "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs", which, if I'm not mistaken, is included in the US constitution.

There has not been a socialist government last more than 75 years. Most don't last 50. They collapse under their own weight. Hybrids programs are best. Yes, the United States has plenty of social programs such as Medicare(65 & older/disabled health benefits), Medicaid(limited income health benefits), social security(income for retirees and disabled) are just a few examples.
I agree that a pure socialist state would, sadly, only work in theory, the greed of man is too big an obstacle, but the list of democratic socialist countries that @Fx posted is legit.

In your city/town how many new huge construction projects have happened this year? How many multi-story buildings have been built? How many new shopping centers? How many new homes? It all about growth. That does not happen often in a socialist government. They are too busy just trying to keep their head above water to worry about the future.
Remember that my country is "no larger than a city" and that I live in a city in this "city-sized" country. Nevertheless over the past 2-3 years there have been build 3 campuses for different universities, 3 new high schools, one 15 story and one 9 story parking house, and several office buildings. And our entire metro is being expanded, and can you imagine how many people such a project employs? All paid for by the government. But of course you only focus on financial growth as a product of the private sector.

Kek..
Still waiting on that list of ignored questions.
Oh... And that socialist country that been around since the mid 1800's... Please name that one for us.
Come on we know you can do it. Checkmate remember that?
Why is this relevant?

You advocate that socialism isn't viable, while in reality you're the one living in a country-sized time bomb.
 
I agree that a pure socialist state would, sadly, only work in theory, the greed of man is too big an obstacle, but the list of democratic socialist countries that @Fx posted is legit.
I touched on this subject a few pages back as well.
I think in the very base form, nobody earns anything and everything is free. That would work if there weren't any human minds involved. If everything is free then people won't want to go to work, and in turn things can't be free.

The USSR tried that system, and it made things like buying a car almost impossible because factories would just meet a specific quota and then do nothing for the remainder of the year, so you'd have to wait a few years for your car. Kinda funny, really.
 
I touched on this subject a few pages back as well.


The USSR tried that system, and it made things like buying a car almost impossible because factories would just meet a specific quota and then do nothing for the remainder of the year, so you'd have to wait a few years for your car. Kinda funny, really.

USSR really operated on Stalinsm more than socialism.
 
1. Easier than a larger one. As one that is 6,000% larger

2. Yes the number was posted.

3. The US has a both federal and state systems as well for both the unemployed and the retired. As well as a health care system for those that cannot afford it.

What previous statement did I supposedly ignore of yours that provoked that link?
One of the primary reasons Denmark is #1 is because it is free to start a business. There is zero loss factor if your business fails. The business owner has no fear of failure. It goes hand and hand with the "everyone gets a trophy" additude.

A ticking time bomb that has outlasted any other government system on the entire planet. Nay... The entire known universe.
I don't know why you're comparing what I write with your own country? It's almost as if you feel threatened?

And the reason for the link was your returning point that "socialism chokes the growth of countries", even after I stated that Denmark, a socialist country, was deemed the best country in the world to run a business in. And do you know why there is a zero loss factor of a failed business? Because our socialist welfare system will catch you. Isn't that a great incentive to start up business and help the growth of the country? Apple at least thinks so, as they've just started building a giant data center in my country.

A bomb doesn't necessarily have to ruin the entire system; it might just ruin the people who live within it.
 
I'm just putting this thread on ignore.
 
Ah, but one can have that safety net without the nanny state if you were to take responsibility and just save the money yourself.
That is the difference in cultures. The Old Worlders prefer(not all) to have people take care of them where most of the New Worlders(not all) prefer to take their own fate in their hands. Neither is not necessarily "better" they are simply different. I just happen to be of the philosophy not being dependent on others but helping others that need help. That is pretty much how most Texans are raised.
I don't know if you're purposely misunderstanding what having a socialist governement means or if you just can't grasp it: No one is taking care of you if you don't need to be taking care of
And not everyone has the ability to save up money for a rainy day. That is why the inqaulity is off the charts in for instance the US.
 
Unfortunately Americans have proven to exhibit a level of ignorance to which they fully believe that America will suddenly become a socialist nation if a socialist president is elected. Not surprising. America has adopted a series of socialist policies ranging from affordable health care to employment and wage increase acts. Having a socialist president and a republican majority in Congress is a balance of power. All other comparisons to socialist European nations are invalid because they do not function in the same way the American government does. So stop using European nations as an example, unless you truly want to prove your ignorance of civics.

America isn't even a true democracy and yet America duckbois will claim that socialism is bad because they grew up in the McCarthy era and are so braindead to anything that doesn't have the stars and stripes painted on it.
 
I don't believe we have mentioned that the US is a "true democracy". The US is a republic.

I very seriously doubt anyone that visits this site "grew up in the McCarthy era". That was over 60 years ago. A 12 year old in the McCarthy era would be 72 now.
Are those the only points of his post that you disagree with?
 

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