Trump 2016

The dictionary isn't good enough for you?


If a Mexican wants to identify as an A-sexual, disabled polar bear that does not make him one. The individual is still from Mexico which, according to the highest standard of definitions-the dictionary-means the individual can be referred to as Hispanic. The same can be said for the term "Latino". Feel free to look that up for an hour as well.

You've taken something very simple and turned it in to this insane, arbitrary off-topic debate. You've completely avoided talking about what Trump said about the judge and have gone off rambling about what words mean.

No, you aphasic ape, I'm saying Trump has jumped the gun by associating the entirety of all Hispanic and Latino Americans with Mexicans as a whole, while there have been great strides to disassociate the two terms socio-culturally. He also chose to dismiss the judge based on his "Hispanic Heritage", which is in itself, racist. (I'd like to see you try to prove otherwise.) Words cannot be defined in a vacuum in a political scope. Words like, black, yellow, white, red, cracker, have a different meaning when spoken of in a political setting. But when you dismiss a judge, just because they are a certain race, that is indeed racism, and there isn't any setting that could be construed otherwise. This was a case involving Trump University, not Illegal Immigrants, not Mexicans, not Walls. This Judge has been a Judge for a long time, and has obviously kept his job for good reasons. Any more objections? Yeah, I didn't think so.

And you talk about me, rambling, but Jill Stein rambles a hell of a lot more than I do. Have you heard her inane speeches? Nobody with any shred of intelligence would support such an incoherent speaker such as Jill Stein. At this point, I'm questioning whether or not you actually are a Jill Stein supporter, because you sound a lot like a Trump supporter. But that's okay, based on the way you understand political opinions and jargon, I'm almost entirely certain that you are much too young to be voting.

Here's some actual threads about what he said about the judge, and how they all link him to being a racist bigot, feel free to read them and tell me how he's not:

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-dou...nst-federal-judge-9191b1494bab?gi=599498873fe

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...-trumps-racial-comments-about-judge-trump-un/

Talk to me when you can actually form cogent arguments and not just attempt to deconstruct mine. You can continue to live in your own world where discriminating against someone based on their race isn't racism, but for people who have a functional understanding of the world, that is indeed racism.
 
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At least the first article didn't say the interviewer was Dickerson when it was Jake Tapper.

This was a case involving Trump University, not Illegal Immigrants, not Mexicans, not Walls.
Exactly. Trump only brought those up to illustrate the bias that the judge might have. These people have purposely tried to make it seem as if it was it was a racist comment.

Any more objections? Yeah, I didn't think so.
There's absolutely no room to be cocky here. Let's look at the video starting from when the question was asked instead of where thinkprogress.com decided to start from because context, body-language and tone of voice are all very important


Trump starts off describing how the case should have been dismissed. He's talking to Tapper like one would talk to a child that's not grasping a concept. He repeatedly says there's nothing wrong with being of Mexican decent and Tapper repeatedly keeps trying to play the racist card and failed. Trump isn't being racist. At no point did he insinuate that Curiel was incompetent or inferior due to his race.

No, you aphasic ape

Talk to me when you can actually form cogent arguments

based on the way you understand political opinions and jargon, I'm almost entirely certain that you are much too young to be voting.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser".

Talk to me when you can actually form cogent arguments and not just attempt to deconstruct mine.
I am not somehow launching personal attacks against you. I'm succeeding at deconstructing your arguments, but you're too proud to take any criticism it seems. My only goal was to show people that mainstream media is not to be trusted. They don't care about being unbiased or being truthful. They care about profit. The social justice narratives are being pushed by them because it's provocative and that's what makes money. As a result everything is racist, sexist, homophobic etc. You have people out there that actually believe all white people are racists or all men are sexist because of this. All I'm saying is we need to examine things closer, especially when it's a presidential candidate under scrutiny.
You can continue to live in your own world where discriminating against someone based on their race isn't racism, but for people who have a functional understanding of the world, that is indeed racism.
Trump is discriminating against Judge Curiel because of his apparent biases, not his race. He even said in the interview that he respects Curiel's being proud of his Mexican descent. If you actually think that what he said is racist or even unreasonable after listening to that interview there is absolutely something wrong.
 
Overt support from the KKK is not a media smear. Trump paints a negative picture of himself, needing no assistance.

It's astonishing what lengths his apologists go to. It reflects hatred/fear of the 'other' present in much of the electorate, but thinly veiled with claims of anti-political correctness. It's like a festering boil that Trump has lanced.

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http://www.snopes.com/robert-byrd-kkk-photo/

(And loosely or tangentially related.)
 
Overt support from the KKK is not a media smear. Trump paints a negative picture of himself, needing no assistance.

It's astonishing what lengths his apologists go to. It reflects hatred/fear of the 'other' present in much of the electorate, but thinly veiled with claims of anti-political correctness. It's like a festering boil that Trump has lanced.

I really don't think anyone here is apologizing for what he has said.
If one were to compare Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton "followers" of which I am neither.

On one side of the aisle, people are aghast over what he says. Yet those very same people ignore what she has actually done. This just befuddles me.

And on the other side they laugh at what he says because they want to say it. Because in many cases, what he states is true. And politicians have to be politically correct. And he is not a politician.

You people have to remember, the PotUS is the top executive of the US. They technically do not run the government. They are like the CEO in a large business. They do the hiring of other executives that actually run the country. IE: Cabinet members.
 
At least the first article didn't say the interviewer was Dickerson when it was Jake Tapper.

Exactly. Trump only brought those up to illustrate the bias that the judge might have. These people have purposely tried to make it seem as if it was it was a racist comment.

There's absolutely no room to be cocky here. Let's look at the video starting from when the question was asked instead of where thinkprogress.com decided to start from because context, body-language and tone of voice are all very important


Trump starts off describing how the case should have been dismissed. He's talking to Tapper like one would talk to a child that's not grasping a concept. He repeatedly says there's nothing wrong with being of Mexican decent and Tapper repeatedly keeps trying to play the racist card and failed. Trump isn't being racist. At no point did he insinuate that Curiel was incompetent or inferior due to his race.







"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser".

I am not somehow launching personal attacks against you. I'm succeeding at deconstructing your arguments, but you're too proud to take any criticism it seems. My only goal was to show people that mainstream media is not to be trusted. They don't care about being unbiased or being truthful. They care about profit. The social justice narratives are being pushed by them because it's provocative and that's what makes money. As a result everything is racist, sexist, homophobic etc. You have people out there that actually believe all white people are racists or all men are sexist because of this. All I'm saying is we need to examine things closer, especially when it's a presidential candidate under scrutiny.
Trump is discriminating against Judge Curiel because of his apparent biases, not his race. He even said in the interview that he respects Curiel's being proud of his Mexican descent. If you actually think that what he said is racist or even unreasonable after listening to that interview there is absolutely something wrong.

 
the fact that bop got 0 likes for his post pretty much sums up this thread for me cx
Was reading through these and his did jump out so gave it a like, then saw you post a few pages later. @Bop good to see someone doing so well, following their passion and whom can offer such an acute summary, even on a gaming forum. Not slating everyone elses opinions or arguments though!
 
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Was reading through these and his did jump out so gave it a like, then saw you post a few pages later. @Bop good to see someone doing so well, following their passion and whom can offer such an acute summary, even on a gaming forum. Not slating everyone elses opinions or arguments though!

Thanks man! I'm really happy to be where I am, and I don't feel like I deserve it haha. I slacked my way through high school and a good bit of my undergrad playing this game.

I'm glad someone read that post, haha. I was pretty sure about 90% of people would pass it over, which is fine. It's pretty long.

I guess my biggest gripe is when people so easily dismiss other's opinions, or a political system in general. It's easy to become disillusioned when you don't see something going your way, but there's always a reason for that. The other people get a voice in a democracy, which often leads to clashing and not a lot of productivity. It's actually part of the reason that Athens fell in Ancient Greece.

The strengths of some forms of government are also the weaknesses, it's actually kind of poetic :D

Bop

P.S., I do in fact know that I am a nerd.
 
Thanks man! I'm really happy to be where I am, and I don't feel like I deserve it haha. I slacked my way through high school and a good bit of my undergrad playing this game.

I'm glad someone read that post, haha. I was pretty sure about 90% of people would pass it over, which is fine. It's pretty long.

I guess my biggest gripe is when people so easily dismiss other's opinions, or a political system in general. It's easy to become disillusioned when you don't see something going your way, but there's always a reason for that. The other people get a voice in a democracy, which often leads to clashing and not a lot of productivity. It's actually part of the reason that Athens fell in Ancient Greece.

The strengths of some forms of government are also the weaknesses, it's actually kind of poetic :D

Bop

P.S., I do in fact know that I am a nerd.

That's fine Bop, nerd on mate. This forum is one callout after another whether it's game related, personal, music choice etc let alone political motivations. Obvious point, but on a gaming forum it's rare to see someone able to apply everyday, job "experience" to an argument, especially on a big topic that appeals to all including the quietest members. You can't google these answers like you could when fixing a computer for example.
 
At least the first article didn't say the interviewer was Dickerson when it was Jake Tapper.

Exactly. Trump only brought those up to illustrate the bias that the judge might have. These people have purposely tried to make it seem as if it was it was a racist comment.

There's absolutely no room to be cocky here. Let's look at the video starting from when the question was asked instead of where thinkprogress.com decided to start from because context, body-language and tone of voice are all very important


Trump starts off describing how the case should have been dismissed. He's talking to Tapper like one would talk to a child that's not grasping a concept. He repeatedly says there's nothing wrong with being of Mexican decent and Tapper repeatedly keeps trying to play the racist card and failed. Trump isn't being racist. At no point did he insinuate that Curiel was incompetent or inferior due to his race.







"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser".

I am not somehow launching personal attacks against you. I'm succeeding at deconstructing your arguments, but you're too proud to take any criticism it seems. My only goal was to show people that mainstream media is not to be trusted. They don't care about being unbiased or being truthful. They care about profit. The social justice narratives are being pushed by them because it's provocative and that's what makes money. As a result everything is racist, sexist, homophobic etc. You have people out there that actually believe all white people are racists or all men are sexist because of this. All I'm saying is we need to examine things closer, especially when it's a presidential candidate under scrutiny.
Trump is discriminating against Judge Curiel because of his apparent biases, not his race. He even said in the interview that he respects Curiel's being proud of his Mexican descent. If you actually think that what he said is racist or even unreasonable after listening to that interview there is absolutely something wrong.

I think I'm pretty much done with this argument. Here's why:

1. You've failed to disprove that Trump was not racist in dismissing a Hispanic Judge based on his race.
2. You've actually went as far as to go google the word "racism" and used the textbook of it.
3. Here's a direct quote from the interview you actually cited.

1 - It seems your almighty "logic" is convoluted by a strong distrust by the media, since any logical human being would consider Trump's outright dismissal of the judge based on his race, a racist act. But I like how logically inconsistent you are, because you cite the interview with Trump, despite knowing that media purposely bends the truth to fit their narrative.

2 - You actually googled "racism". Rofl. By that definition, why aren't I free to call people crackers or n-words without being construed as a racist? Or arresting people because they're a certain skin color? Or dismissing judges because they're a racial minority? If you want to hone in on what Trump did, it would be much closer to something like racial discrimination, not racial superiority.
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"Trump: No. He's proud of his heritage. I respect him for that.

Tapper: But you're saying you can't do his job because of that.

Trump: Look, he's proud of his heritage, OK? I'm building a wall. Now, I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics...because I'm going to bring back jobs. And they are going to get jobs. I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics.

But we are building a wall. He's a Mexican. We're building a wall between here and Mexico.

The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings, rulings that people can't even believe. This case should have ended years ago on summary judgment. The best lawyers -- I have spoken to so many lawyers -- they said, `This is not a case. This is a case that should have ended.' This judge is giving us unfair rulings. Now, I say. `Why?' Well, I'm building a wall, OK? And it's a wall between Mexico. Not another country.

Tapper: But he's not from Mexico. He's from Indiana.

Trump: He's of Mexican heritage and he's very proud of it."
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Like I said earlier, Mexican =/= Hispanic, and I've went to a great length to talk about it earlier, but you've simply dismissed it as a tangent discussion. Trump makes the mistake of calling Curiel a Mexican, despite that he is an American-born citizen, who chooses to identify as a Hispanic. This is like calling an Asian-American a Chinese, or Japanese. But I think I've expended enough time here, it's not exactly my profession to educate High School children, and thank god, because I definitely don't have the patience for it.
 
Overall I dislike both candidates but individually I think both have their strong points.

I feel that Trump can do well on the domestic front and can fix a lot of what I feel is wrong with our country locally. Specifically I feel he could do a good job in dealing with our illegal immigrants and national debt. However his foreign policy is abysmal and I fear what he will say to some foreign dignitaries.

Conversely I feel Hillary's foreign relations are second to none, and she will do well for America in the world stage. However I feel her domestic polices are terrible and a continuation of the socialist policies Obama was pushing which I don't agree with.

Ultimately for me it comes down to who will fuck up the least. For me I believe Trump is smart enough to know where his defincieces lie and as such hire a good group of advisers and cabinet members around him to help lead the country.

I feel Hillary will focus more on foreign policy, and specifically on foreign policy as it pertains to her own Clinton Foundation and as such will do much more harm to this country locally.
 
People who vote trump are actually brain dead and it's scary for America that he's so close in the election polls... I'm from UK and just don't understand how people can try vote in a man who is 100% racist as president??
 
People who vote trump are actually brain dead and it's scary for America that he's so close in the election polls... I'm from UK and just don't understand how people can try vote in a man who is 100% racist as president??
1. we voted in bush jr. not once but twice and the guy is basically illiterate.
2. i've asked quite a few republicans why they are republican. the response, by a vast majority, was lower taxes. period. no other issue, reason or consideration got even close. if bobo the monkey is going to lower taxes he should be in office.
 
1. we voted in bush jr. not once but twice and the guy is basically illiterate.
2. i've asked quite a few republicans why they are republican. the response, by a vast majority, was lower taxes. period. no other issue, reason or consideration got even close. if bobo the monkey is going to lower taxes he should be in office.

His only policy isn't lowering taxes though... You're an idiot if you vote someone in because of one policy, just because he has one thing going for him doesn't nullify all his stupid views.
 
People who vote trump are actually brain dead and it's scary for America that he's so close in the election polls... I'm from UK and just don't understand how people can try vote in a man who is 100% racist as president??
because clinton is far worse than being racist, no one can justify trump however clinton is simply on another level
 
His only policy isn't lowering taxes though... You're an idiot if you vote someone in because of one policy, just because he has one thing going for him doesn't nullify all his stupid views.
hey, you asked. i didn't say i advocate single issue voting, and i'm pretty sure everyone is aware that taxes aren't the only issue. i also wouldn't characterize his tax plan as something that's "going for him", that really depends on what side of the street your on.
 

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