I guess by survivability, I mean tankiness in combat. Sure you can run away or be in bear form, but you are useless to your team cause you cant hardcast or heal. At least with MM you can survive a few more hits while dishing out lots of dps. Druids are okay atm, not amazing imo. Rdruids are not as tanky as Rshams and are not as high in burst healing output. If Bal druids get a buff to moonfire/sunfire, maybe they'll be alot better and be able to dot things to death.
Just saying that makes no fucking sense what so ever tho, rdruids have to spend 2 globals for 2 dots that last shorter than flame shock and flame shock does roughly the same same damage as the 2 dots combined and you only have to spend one global so it's much easier to weav in between heals and other casts. this was the weakest arguement so far tbh.
That's a 1 dimensional statement. Druids can spam dot on multiple stealthies to keep them in combat and out of stealth and also do dmg. They can even just dick around in bear form and spam dot to do it. Rshaman has 1 dot that keeps 1 stealthie out of stealth and a totem that u can use but gets destroyed in 1 hit that'll allow the other stealthies to get a restealth if they have terrain to LoS to use. It doesn't sound as good as the other things, but in a game where there's a good amount of stealth classes it'll give you the time to know where they all are and being able to cross because of it cus' they can't CC you anymore in stealth.
So a dot that lasts for 21 sec with a 6 sec cd can only be put on one target? I don't know if you can do math or not. and in what competetive game can a rdruid afford to spent 6 globals straight dotting people up?
Well this reply is kinda 1 dimensional as well tho, this is going off the basis that you can only have either shaman or rdruid on ur team, but in most situations you will have both and in that case I will say the flame shock feels a lot better as it's only 1 globals that needs to be pressed and that can be easily weaved in between your normal rotation.
No, because you won't be together all the time. This is where I go back to my previous statement as an example where the rsham can't cross due to the other team gyfarming or just have mid control and only the stealthies can cross mid. But just in general you will never be together all the time cus' something will happen or depending on the types of player they'll try to cut you off from ur fc.
Well if the druid is split away from the team then he wouldent be able to dot up the rogues other than when they try to open on you right? and I believe that in most balanced team you will have a boomy doing the majority of the multidotting but even with all of this I still believe a 21 second dot with a 6 sec cd is pretty good in a bracket without dispells.
If you use flame shock on cd you can keep it up on 3 targets at all times. this means that a druid would have to keep up 6 dots to keep up with the dmg, that means the druid would have to spend over 50 % of his time dotting up targets to keep up the same dmg.
6 dots with a global cd of 1,43, you'll have to redot after 16 seconds. 6*1,43=8,58. 8.58 is more than 50 % of 16 seconds and this is me being generous as sunfire only lasts for 12 seconds so in theory you would have to spend even more globals.
I'm not saying resto sham dot is dogshit, because its the polar opposite. It's a sick dmg dot, but that wasn't the point. Let me put it this way to summarize what I mean in general: both classes have their own situations where they thrive, but you cannot say resto sham is better by a landslide. I wouldn't mind if u said "better", but landslide is an over exaggeration and just not true.
And the other 50% putting out hots and the best burst heals in the bracket?
Yeah but that doesnt change the fact that it's much harder for the druid to keep up the damage than it is for the shaman. and with all those globals that the shaman save he can put out damage with lava burst and lightning bolt which can be much more impactful in certain scenarios. Rsham only needs to spend 3 global pr 21 seconds which comes down to 15 % of their time is spent on dots which gives them way more freedom with their globals so in my opinion in the case of dmg wise shaman is superior to druid.
I never said it was a problem but he is trying to make a point where rdruid dots are superior to rshaman's dots which I don't agree with.
That's not what we're discussing tho. In a realistic scenario a rdruid probably won't spend much more than 50 % of his time spamming dots. and a shaman can do the same dmg as that only spending 15 % of his globals to do basically the same dot dmg, this gives the shaman much more freedom to cast lava bursts, lightning bolts which provides more bursty dmg which can land essential kills and they can also push out more healing with the freed gcd's. and you're still trying to say that rdruid dots are superiors. you must be fucking delusional lol.