The new rogue build

[Falaris]

[char=Azgalor]Falaris[/char]



Ive seen so many sub rogues with bad gear choices and bad talent/glyph setups that I decided to better them, and come up with what I feel is the ideal rogue setup for 19s. You can debate the dual LS's all you want, if youre in a premade youd want your SFs to be dual fiery, for just about every other situation dual LS is better. Yes, I obviously know that I need a fishing hat, leveling herb higher (doing that now), and 3/3 wranglers. Ive been ad spamming wranglers since I transferred, Ive fished up 5 eternium lines with no hat (or any other rare fish for that matter).



With a hit pot I get to 13.5% hit (16.5% with precision). Combined with 15 expertise (which is 3.75% chance to dodge/parry) means this character connects on ALOT of attacks. DPS in this bracket comes from an overpowered melee weapon, not from stacking pure AP. People just dont factor in misses into their equation often enough, or just as important dont factor in that they just die more often with 700hp than they do with 1100hp.

 

[Crilicilyn]

18 hit rating... wow. Just wow. ROFLMAO

You do know that your 3 over NE hit cap right (on top of the fact your ally)? And there is no point to going for the 27% DW hit too? IK you haven't been playing in a very long time, but you seem to be trying to apply endgame PvE mechanics to 19 twink PvP. Your build will wreck face in doing those satchel loot runs though. GG

 

[Falaris]

You do know the hit cap only applies to specials right, and that you can go well over that (soft) hit cap for white attacks? Well, obviously you dont, since you made that post. GG

 

[Crilicilyn]

If you honestly want to try getting to the 27% cap for PvP go for it. Look at every single other rogues profile and you will see that they do not do that. Why? Because it doesn't work. Its been tried, shit I've tried, doesn't work. Its crap, you hit like a mage trying to melee. Your build has low AP and low health, you won't survive arenas or keep high enough dps up in BG's. GG

 

[Kore nametooshort]

Past the nelf cap hit rating is worth about the same as crit rating for a rogue. The maths for the is at the bottom of the hit rating thread, done by Trespasser.

 

[Crilicilyn]

^^ and crit stacks better. AP>crit too.

 

[Falaris]

If you honestly want to try getting to the 27% cap for PvP go for it. Look at every single other rogues profile and you will see that they do not do that. Why? Because it doesn't work. Its been tried, shit I've tried, doesn't work. Its crap, you hit like a mage trying to melee. Your build has low AP and low health, you won't survive arenas or keep high enough dps up in BG's. GG

I never said I was going for the white hit cap. Im probably sticking with this amount of hit, possibly removing the 4 hit ring for seal of wrynn. I think its safe to say the people Ive actually been bging with/against since I came to Ruin will attest I dont even come close to doing weak dps. Also, I know this is hard to figure out for the average 19 twink (apparently you), but AP is not the sole determining factor as to how much dps you put out in a battleground.



As for arenas, well youre just flat out stupid I guess. A build with double lifestealing that hits almost every single attack has no survivability for arenas? Do you understand ANYTHING about 19 rogue mechanics?

 

[Falaris]

Past the nelf cap hit rating is worth about the same as crit rating for a rogue. The maths for the is at the bottom of the hit rating thread, done by Trespasser.

That math doesnt take into a couple things, namely SF procs and LS procs. I wont bother mentioning the other things that are parallel to hit and crit, such as imp SnD since both are equally affected by hit and crit. However, for both procs you get a significant advantage to having more hit, whereas having more crit in that instance does nothing to affect those procs.



The main thing is pay attention to where Im actually stacking hit:



1. BoA chest. Any doubt thats BiS?

2. BoA shoulders. Any doubt thats BiS?

3. Spidersilk Drape. If you think that 4 (white) hit rating is worth less than 8AP 4 stam then by all means go for it. Youll probably say WELL I HAVE MORE HP SO I LIVE LONGER while youre rocking your fieries instead of lifestealing and still dying faster

4. Simple Pearl Ring. The one piece of gear Im hesitant on, I could easily switch out for Seal of Wrynn. 10 stats is pretty hard to pass up for 4 white hit rating I agree. Still up in the air on that one.



Then you get to the talents, and yes I have 3/5 precision. You can debate those 3 talent points, the other 7 are pretty much set. The only reasonable place to put those 3 points is imp gouge, which I miss alot. I wont give anyone shit for putting 3 precision points into imp gouge.

 

[Rivfader]

So why bother with imp SnD in a bracket where ToT is so low. I'm changing to almost the same spec except I think imp SS would be a better way to spend those two points. But I definately agree that sub rogues are retarded.

 

[Falaris]

Imp SnD synergizes with the rest of the build quite nicely. People seem to look past the real reason people spec hit. I know it sounds so basic, but its to HIT MORE OFTEN lol. Shadowfangs that attack at a 2.2 speed hit alot more often than SFs that attack at a 2.8 speed. This synergizes with LS procs as well, along with getting more value out of your 5/5 dual-wield specialization.

 

[Rivfader]

Well the talent seems pretty wasted when a warrior is jousting you or ranged is kiting you. I only see it useful when beating down a debuffed fc or for RvR. Imp SS is something that will always be useful, especially when bursting people down. Maybe it's just me but rogues are so easy to kite that I prefer more burst over steady dps, it's not 39 we don't have a high ToT

 

[Falaris]

Evasion has a 3 minute CD, its not hard to keep evasion ready for any melee fighting youre going to have, be it a rogue, warrior, or paladin. As for your scenario of having imp SS because of people jousting you, youre kind of contradicting yourself. If youre being jousted by a warrior, or kited by ranged, generally your energy is going to fill up between 'jousts' anyway, making imp SS irrelevant. If evasion is down and a warrior is just going toe to toe with you, he's not playing very smart. Also, imp SS isnt a 'burst' talent, its a continuous damage talent. Youre not getting more than 2 SSs from full energy with or without the talent.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

I'm pretty sure it's been tested that the SF/CB combo is better than DW Sfs. Ideal setup? Maybe for your "vision", but not according to the hundreds of other rogues who do not think so. You come across to me as one of those people who think their opinion is the only right way, but the thing is, it's not.



~Moardotz

 

[Falaris]

I'm pretty sure it's been tested that the SF/CB combo is better than DW Sfs. Ideal setup? Maybe for your "vision", but not according to the hundreds of other rogues who do not think so. You come across to me as one of those people who think their opinion is the only right way, but the thing is, it's not.



~Moardotz

Wrong.



Also, have you ever paid attention to all the 'hundreds of rogues' out there? Its always been a fact that most twinks are bad, however thats got exponentially worse in 19s over the last couple years. Almost all of the good twinks quit, and that causes more of the good twinks to quit because theres not as much competition as there used to be. Get real, you have 'hundreds of rogues' spec'ing subtlety so they can GET A GARROTE ON SOMEONE.

 

[Rivfader]

Evasion has a 3 minute CD, its not hard to keep evasion ready for any melee fighting youre going to have, be it a rogue, warrior, or paladin. As for your scenario of having imp SS because of people jousting you, youre kind of contradicting yourself. If youre being jousted by a warrior, or kited by ranged, generally your energy is going to fill up between 'jousts' anyway, making imp SS irrelevant. If evasion is down and a warrior is just going toe to toe with you, he's not playing very smart. Also, imp SS isnt a 'burst' talent, its a continuous damage talent. Youre not getting more than 2 SSs from full energy with or without the talent.

In the OH discussion thread (too lazy to search through that shit) you stated that imp SS was the single most dps increasing talent a rogue could take. I do see it as burst cause that 3rd SS will come faster with the talent whereas SnD most of the extra uptime will probably be spent getting to a target. It's just the nature of 19 rogues that without support we only get a few shots in before you start chasing after your target again.

 

[Falaris]

In the OH discussion thread (too lazy to search through that shit) you stated that imp SS was the single most dps increasing talent a rogue could take. I do see it as burst cause that 3rd SS will come faster with the talent whereas SnD most of the extra uptime will probably be spent getting to a target. It's just the nature of 19 rogues that without support we only get a few shots in before you start chasing after your target again.

Yeah, I stand by that statement, which I know sounds like a contradiction, but its not. On its own there is no single talent that would do more damage (I believe, although Im starting to waver on that a bit for 19s) than Imp SS. However, this build is all about synergy. Every talent works well with every other talent. Its definitely a 'the sum is greater than the parts' build/gear setup.

 

[StokesTerenas]

gys ur stupid all u need to do is press 2 2 2 2 2 (sinster strike) then u use evision for dodge and use strike and dice 4 fasta atacks

 

[Falaris]

I'm pretty sure it's been tested that the SF/CB combo is better than DW Sfs. Ideal setup? Maybe for your "vision", but not according to the hundreds of other rogues who do not think so. You come across to me as one of those people who think their opinion is the only right way, but the thing is, it's not.



~Moardotz

gys ur stupid all u need to do is press 2 2 2 2 2 (sinster strike) then u use evision for dodge and use strike and dice 4 fasta atacks

hundreds of rogues

Thanks for proving the point.

 

[subpar]

I'm pretty sure it's been tested that the SF/CB combo is better than DW Sfs. Ideal setup? Maybe for your "vision", but not according to the hundreds of other rogues who do not think so. You come across to me as one of those people who think their opinion is the only right way, but the thing is, it's not.



~Moardotz

dw SF>all I think anyway, lololmath

 

[subpar]

Thanks for proving the point.

I do believe sir, that while you may be able to make a sufficient build, you have yet to grasp the sarcastic or jovial comments made by this poster.



Or, as far as I can tell, you got trolled breh