The Future of Twinkinfo

Discussion in 'Site Update News' started by Myrm, Jul 15, 2015.

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  1. Tom Ganks

    Tom Ganks Formerly Robo

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    I find it hypocritical to label others as such, when you yourself do not open yourself up to our pov.

    I truly wish the best for your server. No need to scrap it. There are other ways to inform others of it. One great way is to tell your fellow players to spread the word. But I'm not going to get into this with you. Private servers and account sales are NOT what this website was intended for.
     
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  2. Skeezin

    Skeezin Grandfathered

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    shane would disagree
     
  3. Arkant

    Arkant Freedom~

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    The name seems to indicate that this site was created with the intention to provide information for and about twinks. I would argue that designated twink private servers fall into this category.

    =^]
     
  4. Allybeboba

    Allybeboba Grandfathered

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    Oh boy...
    If the site wants to get more official exposure, i.e.WoW Community exposure, it needs to follow Blizzard's standards.
    At the risk of sounding too nerdy on a video game website.
    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

    /cheer
     
  5. Selaya

    Selaya Guest

    We`ve got that.

    The question here is, whether these things`d (Private Servers, RMAH) make a return should this approach fail.
     
  6. Nicozy

    Nicozy Anarchism

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    Thank you

    Shane might have taken my post count but he never took my spirit.

    This will allow me to be more frequent on TI and I think it will benefit everyone.

    Thanks again.
     
  7. Hamcake

    Hamcake Member

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    Of course I have, what do you think I have been criticizing this whole time? I fully understand your intent as laid out in these threads and who could possibly be against that? I'm saying it's totally misguided. Twinkinfo does not bring people to twinking; it's the other way around. Any twink-related exposure on blizzard's platforms is indirectly exposure to twinkinfo because this is already the hub. Any context in which TI would get a link from blizzard is going to be significant enough to generate interest in those who are so inclined. What is your hope, that someone will see something like the twink cup, think "that doesn't look like my cup of tea", follow the link to TI for some reason and suddenly change their mind for some even more bizarre reason? Twinkinfo and any specialist community does not generate interest, it accommodates interest. Why does it matter to you the route someone takes here so long as they come here at all? The more cynical side of me thinks it's to give yourselves personally a sense of accomplishment and that's unfortunate but it's a response to the only insight you've given so far. Either way it is not a justification for squashing discussion of a community interest. My last server had a little over 13,000 accounts; just because none of the admin team had any interest in private servers does not mean the interest is not there.

    So the fact that private server discussion had been a part of Twinkinfo for roughly the last 6 years was accidental? I don't understand. I'm also indifferent on the matter of account sales, so I'm not really advocating for that.
     
  8. Selaya

    Selaya Guest

    Couldn`t possibly have gotten it better than Hamcake`s done, he`s got a point.
     
  9. willix

    willix Veteran

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    Not really. What Shane used TI for in his own personal life and the business he conducted in the past is irrelevant under a new owner. A site like TI can only grow and prosper with the support of Blizzard, which won't happen if it's supporting activities which are against Blizzard's ToS. There's really only one way for TI to go if it wants to be a respectable Wow related website: no more private servers, account selling, or item selling.

    You can disagree with that all you want, especially as someone who is used to the way things were done in the past, but you won't end up changing anything. Private servers detract twinking activity from live servers, they always have, and they always will. I like this announcement and I look forward seeing what TI might become. I don't think I'm alone in stating just how terrible TI has become in the last couple years.

    It's time for some solid changes.
     
  10. Selaya

    Selaya Guest

    Care to elaborate on that?
    Because Hamcake`s presented a pretty damn convincing point why this wouldn`t really do anything.
     
  11. willix

    willix Veteran

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    TI has been around for a while, right? Blizzard hasn't had any reason in the past to support a site like TI, when they have gone out of their way to support other Wow related websites. Wowwiki, Wowhead, Curse, MMOchamp, ect, all have grown with the support they've received from Blizzard directly. They have things like giveaways, exclusive interviews, beta access, and information they wouldn't otherwise have access to without Blizzard support.

    I imagine this move by MYRM is one that aims to elevate TI into something much better than it has ever been, possibly opening the doors to having that sort of a relationship with Blizzard. I don't imagine twinking will ever be something that Blizzard fully endorses as a proper way to play the game, but I do imagine they will be more than happy to engage in the type of relationship that helps our community grow in the same way other wow related websites have grown.

    I would love to hear how those doors might open if this site continues down the path of shady practices that it has been engaged in for years.
     
  12. artonkn

    artonkn Grandfathered

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    How will Blizzard help the site to grow?
     
  13. Hamcake

    Hamcake Member

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    Which is a completely pointless thing to bring up. Nobody said that it was relevant; this whole conversation has been about the policies set by a new owner. I was not the one who brought up the past intention of twinkinfo. Also, this is the 5th owner of TI I believe so it was not only Shane's "business".

    I guess it's a miracle that we've been here for 7 years now then. Also my entire last post was in response to this claim, are you just going to ignore it?

    I know you only joined in 2012 but this debate has played out in the past and what you are saying is completely false. The vast majority of people who played my server also played retail. Those who did not had reasons other than the existence of private servers for not playing retail. Furthermore, my server and others like it sustained interest in those who were dissatisfied with the direction live servers were taking at the time. Finally, some people from outside were either introduced or easily allowed to try twinking which brought them into the community.

    The section was strictly for twink related private servers which have always been supplementary in nature. Any breaches in this policy have been due to moderator disinterest, an unfortunate trend in the saga of twink private servers.
     
  14. Selaya

    Selaya Guest

    Not a really valid comparison. They`re mainstream pages aimed at pretty much every player. Twinking`s a small niche. The best comparison that`s coming to my mind would be something like Arenajunkies, which`s also serving a niche within the greater World of Warcraft.
    See the above. Does Arenajunkies have giveaways? Beta access? (I haven`t really checked, but from what I know, they don`t.)
     
  15. Superstylin

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    The thing is, by accommodating to Blizzard's ToS, we open the door here for a better relationship with Blizzard. We don't know how we will benefit yet from doing this, because as others have stated, TI has never been like this before. Instead of keeping our options limited, we want to try this to see if we can expand.

    If these changes (removal of private servers/RMAH) provide no benefit to the site, I could see the possibility of bringing them back, but this is Myrm's decision to make and we must respect that.
     
  16. Hamcake

    Hamcake Member

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    The crux of the argument for removing these sections lies in what each person envisions behind the metaphorical doors that might open. Personally I see a disappointing pile of mouldy sandwiches. Perhaps you have grander plans?

    It'd be one thing if twinking itself was taboo enough to be silenced by blizzard but we've seen even recently that that isn't the case. Vague notions of "better relationship with blizzard" "expanding" or just saying "it'll be better" sound great but what outcome are you expecting in reality?
     
  17. Allybeboba

    Allybeboba Grandfathered

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    Why should TI kneel down and change it's policies to accommodate a minority of the player base when the benefits of the majority of the player base can be increased?
    Can you answer that question [MENTION=199]Hamcake[/MENTION]?

    /cheers
    Sweetsidney
     
  18. Hamcake

    Hamcake Member

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    which are
     
  19. Allybeboba

    Allybeboba Grandfathered

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    After you...
    Waiting on that answer that was directed toward you...
    I do believe that you can answer. All talk, no show.
    Why should TI support the minority of its population over its majority?

    /cheers
    Sweetsidney
     
  20. Hamcake

    Hamcake Member

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    You can't claim this. There aren't any statistics on this.

    I'm in full support of changing policies to benefit the wider community. This particular change hasn't been demonstrated to benefit the wider community.
     

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