EU+US The 19 Podcast - The Direction of XPOFF and State of 19s Feat. Mutando
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ifurreadingthisitstoolate
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@Hunnybuns , your position on 19s and 20s has gained my respect.
Funniest thing about all this is the ones who are pushing for nothingness are below avg jaja skill in twink pvp. Maybe the key is go get a life? I have noticed most of the successful players I know have their life together. Being a good player doesn't come from strictly putting in the time. Just look at me, I have put in so little time compared to some other players in 19s. Outside of the game I hit the gym, play sports, maintain healthy relationships, work, the list goes on. (also 20-29 takes up some time bc it's lit) Now this might be hard to make sense of for some. This is the stage where you as a person have to decide what kind of person you are. I am the type to always try to give my all for anything that I find fun, twink wsg just happens to be something I find fun. The plays.
Xpoff/Twinkinfo was a tool for me to create fun twink bgs when forming organized wargames seemed like too much of a hassle. Influencing players to try and Q into my games greatly improved the quality of the games. Also you form bonds with certain players who you "click" with during plays. I know some guys who I met solely off a play they made and ended up being friends with on the game for years. Wsg and arenas is what it's about and the players+personalities+mogs+plays+ (insert more stuff about what 19s is about here). I joined 19s this year and have had a blast since day 1, even when I seemed like I wasn't happy about something or someone, I was still having fun. Fun is what it's about. Free the fun.
Funniest thing about all this is the ones who are pushing for nothingness are below avg jaja skill in twink pvp. Maybe the key is go get a life? I have noticed most of the successful players I know have their life together. Being a good player doesn't come from strictly putting in the time. Just look at me, I have put in so little time compared to some other players in 19s. Outside of the game I hit the gym, play sports, maintain healthy relationships, work, the list goes on. (also 20-29 takes up some time bc it's lit) Now this might be hard to make sense of for some. This is the stage where you as a person have to decide what kind of person you are. I am the type to always try to give my all for anything that I find fun, twink wsg just happens to be something I find fun. The plays.
Xpoff/Twinkinfo was a tool for me to create fun twink bgs when forming organized wargames seemed like too much of a hassle. Influencing players to try and Q into my games greatly improved the quality of the games. Also you form bonds with certain players who you "click" with during plays. I know some guys who I met solely off a play they made and ended up being friends with on the game for years. Wsg and arenas is what it's about and the players+personalities+mogs+plays+ (insert more stuff about what 19s is about here). I joined 19s this year and have had a blast since day 1, even when I seemed like I wasn't happy about something or someone, I was still having fun. Fun is what it's about. Free the fun.
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Bleh I had written a whole brick of text in reply to your opinion podcast.
Instead I'm just gonna say this:
Xpoff is not just for 19s and TC champs.
And you're the only bracket on these forums that get 5+ thread/post reports/deletes/locks per week (at least, when certain champs werent banned).
You come to xpoff for drama? Like arkte said, buy a TV and watch Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
Instead I'm just gonna say this:
Xpoff is not just for 19s and TC champs.
And you're the only bracket on these forums that get 5+ thread/post reports/deletes/locks per week (at least, when certain champs werent banned).
You come to xpoff for drama? Like arkte said, buy a TV and watch Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
Stabilt
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What would xpoff be without drama?
Arkte
Guest
It's simple math. Allow me to write out the equation for you...
XPOff - Drama = A twink forum without drama.
Pretty easy, right?
Maybe not for you, or several others, but I'm doing my best to explain it. Math never really was my best subject. :/
partygirl
Legend
xpoff - Drama = dead and stale forum nobody enjoys reading
xpoff with drama = fun and interesting and alot of the time atleast judging from the past in threads such as 10v10 wargame threads where drama spiced up the competition even more.
Chainz
DND
You and the rest of the staff seem like the type of guys to go to a bingo tournament for elderly and say there is 2 much drama between them.
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Chainz
DND
I wouldn't dare... I'm 2 afraid I'll get caught in the moment and then get banned for saying kys to some grandpa.
Arkte
Guest
@Hunnybuns
I'm just going to make a couple of points here on your podcast, specifically related to the site.
First of all, you want REAL statistics of the sites activity? Sure thing. I'll give you some stats for the last month:
There have been between 250-300 active users on the site per day.
There have been between 5-30 new threads made per day. (usually around 10)
Now let's look at those same statistics from 6 months ago:
There were between 200-250 active users on the site per day.
There were between 0-10 new threads made per day. (usually around 3-5)
And now, let's go back a year:
Both stats were just slightly less than those listed above.
Any other stats you're looking for? Let me know. Need actual proof of this? Let me know. I'd be more than willing to provide that for you.
Secondly, you say that drama can be a good thing. A lot of you are saying that. I don't disagree. It can certainly fuel competition, and in turn benefit the bracket and community as a whole.
What I do NOT agree with, however, is you blaming the current direction of the site (at least partially) for the lack of this content. Sure, there have been some issues with moderation lately, no doubt about that. But why not actually make the effort to see for yourselves what content has been moderated, that everyone seems to be creating such a big hype over? Again, there have been a lot of cases where bans were issued for the content, or even where content was moderated and it was not exactly necessary. But was any of it contributive in any way? Did any of it fall in to the category of this "productive drama" that you're referring to? If you can think of so much as a single post or thread that was moderated that you feel was beneficial to the site in any way, PLEASE, by all means, direct me to it and I will undo those changes RIGHT NOW.
I have access to a list of EVERY post that has been removed from public view or edited, and EVERY thread that has been locked. I just looked through all of it from the last 2 weeks, and while some of it could have been left alone (and a lot of it was undeserving of a ban), they all shared one thing in common: Absolute garbage. None of it was doing anything beneficial for the site, the 19 bracket, or anything else you care about. It was all useless trash. Would you like proof of that as well? Want to make your own judgement? I will personally give you my XenForo Admin Control Panel login info and let you browse through the list yourself. Then, you can attempt to prove me wrong. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
This is not a personal attack on you. I have no problem with you. I actually have a lot of respect for you and appreciate what you do. My problem lies within the fact that everyone is blowing up the hype on this when they really don't have a clue what is ACTUALLY going on, and I'm merely attempting to clear up those misconceptions. Have you actually experienced any of this first hand, or are you just believing all of the shit that everyone is feeding in to it? The latter seems to be the case, as is with most everyone else here.
I'm taking responsibility for everything that I feel I am responsible for, even some actions made by my staff that I may not actually be responsible for. But I REFUSE to allow myself, or any of my staff to be held responsible for a "death" of the website which is not really occurring in the first place.
My "Into The New Era" Thread has received nearly 7,000 views. Mutando's recent thread has received over 3,000. Both of those threads are good examples of the sort of "productive drama", as I would define it. Everyone who really gives a shit about this site (and even some who don't) voiced their opinions in those threads. The responses in those threads are exactly the content that is helping us shape and mold this site in to something better. There's plenty of useless shit to be found there, just like anywhere else, but there are also plenty of valid points from people in the community who actually have something worthwhile to say. Posts like "kys", or threads like "I had sex with Selaya" do not at all fall in the same category. They are, as I stated before, absolute garbage and aren't doing the bracket, the site, or the community and good whatsoever.
Perfection is not an end result, it is a never ending process. The direction of this site is no different. It is a process, and we aren't going to get there overnight. It has only just begun and I am doing everything I can as the Head Administrator and community leader to get us there. I mean well, and I care a lot about this community. But I will make mistakes, and I need the community to lift me up when I do and help me back on my feet, not to kick me and spit on me when I hit the ground. I'm not here to ruin the site, I'm not here to turn XPOFF in to some Nazi Concentration camp where everything you say or do is censored. That was never my intention, and contrary to popular belief, it's not actually what is happening at all, despite the issues that have been occurring recently. I take constructive criticism very well, and I encourage it. I have wonderful qualities and a great set of skills, but I am self-aware enough to know that I have flaws and faults as well, and I do not claim to be perfect or mistake free. Nor do I expect anyone else to be. I'm just trying to get things on track. It's not easy, as many of you here seem to think. It's very difficult, very stressful, and at times I just want to escape it all and take a break. But I can't do that, because then I wouldn't be doing my job. This is what i signed up for. I'm here to stay, until I either fix things and pass it on to someone else, or the community throws me out; whichever happens first.
I'm just going to make a couple of points here on your podcast, specifically related to the site.
First of all, you want REAL statistics of the sites activity? Sure thing. I'll give you some stats for the last month:
There have been between 250-300 active users on the site per day.
There have been between 5-30 new threads made per day. (usually around 10)
Now let's look at those same statistics from 6 months ago:
There were between 200-250 active users on the site per day.
There were between 0-10 new threads made per day. (usually around 3-5)
And now, let's go back a year:
Both stats were just slightly less than those listed above.
Any other stats you're looking for? Let me know. Need actual proof of this? Let me know. I'd be more than willing to provide that for you.
Secondly, you say that drama can be a good thing. A lot of you are saying that. I don't disagree. It can certainly fuel competition, and in turn benefit the bracket and community as a whole.
What I do NOT agree with, however, is you blaming the current direction of the site (at least partially) for the lack of this content. Sure, there have been some issues with moderation lately, no doubt about that. But why not actually make the effort to see for yourselves what content has been moderated, that everyone seems to be creating such a big hype over? Again, there have been a lot of cases where bans were issued for the content, or even where content was moderated and it was not exactly necessary. But was any of it contributive in any way? Did any of it fall in to the category of this "productive drama" that you're referring to? If you can think of so much as a single post or thread that was moderated that you feel was beneficial to the site in any way, PLEASE, by all means, direct me to it and I will undo those changes RIGHT NOW.
I have access to a list of EVERY post that has been removed from public view or edited, and EVERY thread that has been locked. I just looked through all of it from the last 2 weeks, and while some of it could have been left alone (and a lot of it was undeserving of a ban), they all shared one thing in common: Absolute garbage. None of it was doing anything beneficial for the site, the 19 bracket, or anything else you care about. It was all useless trash. Would you like proof of that as well? Want to make your own judgement? I will personally give you my XenForo Admin Control Panel login info and let you browse through the list yourself. Then, you can attempt to prove me wrong. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
This is not a personal attack on you. I have no problem with you. I actually have a lot of respect for you and appreciate what you do. My problem lies within the fact that everyone is blowing up the hype on this when they really don't have a clue what is ACTUALLY going on, and I'm merely attempting to clear up those misconceptions. Have you actually experienced any of this first hand, or are you just believing all of the shit that everyone is feeding in to it? The latter seems to be the case, as is with most everyone else here.
I'm taking responsibility for everything that I feel I am responsible for, even some actions made by my staff that I may not actually be responsible for. But I REFUSE to allow myself, or any of my staff to be held responsible for a "death" of the website which is not really occurring in the first place.
My "Into The New Era" Thread has received nearly 7,000 views. Mutando's recent thread has received over 3,000. Both of those threads are good examples of the sort of "productive drama", as I would define it. Everyone who really gives a shit about this site (and even some who don't) voiced their opinions in those threads. The responses in those threads are exactly the content that is helping us shape and mold this site in to something better. There's plenty of useless shit to be found there, just like anywhere else, but there are also plenty of valid points from people in the community who actually have something worthwhile to say. Posts like "kys", or threads like "I had sex with Selaya" do not at all fall in the same category. They are, as I stated before, absolute garbage and aren't doing the bracket, the site, or the community and good whatsoever.
Perfection is not an end result, it is a never ending process. The direction of this site is no different. It is a process, and we aren't going to get there overnight. It has only just begun and I am doing everything I can as the Head Administrator and community leader to get us there. I mean well, and I care a lot about this community. But I will make mistakes, and I need the community to lift me up when I do and help me back on my feet, not to kick me and spit on me when I hit the ground. I'm not here to ruin the site, I'm not here to turn XPOFF in to some Nazi Concentration camp where everything you say or do is censored. That was never my intention, and contrary to popular belief, it's not actually what is happening at all, despite the issues that have been occurring recently. I take constructive criticism very well, and I encourage it. I have wonderful qualities and a great set of skills, but I am self-aware enough to know that I have flaws and faults as well, and I do not claim to be perfect or mistake free. Nor do I expect anyone else to be. I'm just trying to get things on track. It's not easy, as many of you here seem to think. It's very difficult, very stressful, and at times I just want to escape it all and take a break. But I can't do that, because then I wouldn't be doing my job. This is what i signed up for. I'm here to stay, until I either fix things and pass it on to someone else, or the community throws me out; whichever happens first.
Raz
yo what's good
xpoff is currently an auction house for the 101 twinking bracket and a blog for onlydreams adventures in 70 raids (70 raids in legion btw), sure its activity but be real, this site is dead without some trashtalking here and there
Burg
<Nagaz With Attitudez>
I promise you it's not all of us.
Chainz
DND
I guess you are the special snowflake among the staff, at least someone with a brain.
Conq
Guest
Not really surprised a few toxic folks are over-hyping a few toxic words getting deleted (not calling HB toxic, but he is friends with many of them) that being said I think the intent here in this video is genuine and good community content, even if its mislead and if @Arkte is to be believed (which I have every reason to) misinformed as well.
Everyone is complaining about 19s dying, so XPOFF is dying??
Yet...19s don't put out the majority of content here anymore (thinking face). Maybe it's just not the content those 19s are interested in, maybe 19s should put out more content they are interested in so the site is not as "boring" to them and drama is the only thing left? Brackets are responsible for themselves. Hb said it himself, he only cares about 19s. THIS recent drama is a 19s problem, NOT a website problem, NO other bracket has this issue, and 19s isn't even the most active bracket on the forums anymore. Perhaps there is no hope for 19s, with a twink cup on the corner and hype non-existent, the community stagnant, everyone is focusing on a few rotten apples instead of building the community up, it's a shame where the priorities are. It'll be the death of the bracket if that doesn't change before the Twink Cup, but not the website.
I think the part of this video that is getting the least amount of attention is the talk about guilds, which to me is the far more accurate and important part.
Anyway no hard feelings, just my honest opinion. You made a lot of good points @Hunnybuns @Mutando and you may have made me blush a little, hope to see another one soon.
Everyone is complaining about 19s dying, so XPOFF is dying??
Yet...19s don't put out the majority of content here anymore (thinking face). Maybe it's just not the content those 19s are interested in, maybe 19s should put out more content they are interested in so the site is not as "boring" to them and drama is the only thing left? Brackets are responsible for themselves. Hb said it himself, he only cares about 19s. THIS recent drama is a 19s problem, NOT a website problem, NO other bracket has this issue, and 19s isn't even the most active bracket on the forums anymore. Perhaps there is no hope for 19s, with a twink cup on the corner and hype non-existent, the community stagnant, everyone is focusing on a few rotten apples instead of building the community up, it's a shame where the priorities are. It'll be the death of the bracket if that doesn't change before the Twink Cup, but not the website.
I think the part of this video that is getting the least amount of attention is the talk about guilds, which to me is the far more accurate and important part.
Anyway no hard feelings, just my honest opinion. You made a lot of good points @Hunnybuns @Mutando and you may have made me blush a little, hope to see another one soon.
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Purj
boomer shaman
This thread is the best content to hit XPOff in weeks.
To be fair, 19s are so established that there is nothing more to be said.
Useful/Helpful content is isolated to the beginning of new expansions or large patches. It has been that way since after every twink item was slowly discovered in Vanilla/TBC.
If guild vs guild premades were still happening, I'm sure there would be more content and more juicy drama. However, plebmades are just practice for the elite at this point, with the TC being the only worthwhile event of the year.
Regardless of how stagnant or uninteresting the forums have become, I love you all. Just keep doing you. Enjoy life and play some 19s when you have the time. We are all in this together and pug lord Purj of the Alliance will be around to enjoy a few games a week.
To be fair, 19s are so established that there is nothing more to be said.
Useful/Helpful content is isolated to the beginning of new expansions or large patches. It has been that way since after every twink item was slowly discovered in Vanilla/TBC.
If guild vs guild premades were still happening, I'm sure there would be more content and more juicy drama. However, plebmades are just practice for the elite at this point, with the TC being the only worthwhile event of the year.
Regardless of how stagnant or uninteresting the forums have become, I love you all. Just keep doing you. Enjoy life and play some 19s when you have the time. We are all in this together and pug lord Purj of the Alliance will be around to enjoy a few games a week.
Allybeboba
Legend
The 19 "community" did it to themselves. Even though I have played 19's longer than most(not all) on this the website, I have been treated as an outsider on some occasions. Most have no idea who my 19's are on my all my accounts.
Treating outsiders badly and lack of helpful individuals has contributed greatly to the decline of 19's. Some of us have been stating(warning) this for years to no avail. It takes everyone's help to turn this baby around.
I play lowbie PVP for fun and don't play lowbie PVP to be harassed by some pompous jerk thinking he has videagamez skillz. I will just move to another bracket. I have plenty of geared toons. Other people feel the same way.
/cheers
Treating outsiders badly and lack of helpful individuals has contributed greatly to the decline of 19's. Some of us have been stating(warning) this for years to no avail. It takes everyone's help to turn this baby around.
I play lowbie PVP for fun and don't play lowbie PVP to be harassed by some pompous jerk thinking he has videagamez skillz. I will just move to another bracket. I have plenty of geared toons. Other people feel the same way.
/cheers