Terrain jumping/exploiting/coordinating etc

Goesid said:
Since this thread seems to actually be going somewhere I'll elaborate my respone abit.

Tunnel Roof (Horde)

This is a tricky one, seeing as there is one place on it where you are actually walking in the air it does make you feel abit exploitative but all in all it is not a very hard place to learn how to use it ones advantage, it is simply the best place to be most of the and now I am not talking about the walking in the air part. I consider it to be okey to use it as it has the most points where you can LoS all the hunters and get a breathing space from all the pets. There isn't really anything controversial about it other than that walking in the air part which won't be used very much.


Tunnel Roof (Alliance Side)

The Alliance side tunnel roof is pretty standard, there are a few jumps that are a bit controversial mainly those taking you from level 0.5 or 1 to level 2. These jumps are pretty hard if you haven't practised and seeing people doing them is very rare.


Loggs behind Horde health hut.

This is a spot which I very much enjoy to use to my advantage, using the goblin rocket racial I can jump up to above the graveyard and lose some of the competiton, a druid with wild charge, a warrior, a hunter that is good with his disengage or a demo lock can however easily follow you. A clever druid can also root you mid air making a complete game turner.

I consider this as mentioned earlier "Clever Use Of Game Mechanics" there are the loggs there are the spells and there is a target, the clever thing to do is to put 1+1=2, It doesn't take you anywhere special it is simply a short cut to a place everybody can get to. This isn't anything different to a hunter using disengage in midfield, everybody can get to where he disengages but he gets there quicker. Kinda like Trickynick and Pole does using water elemental to send it up the cliff and using wild charge to get above the graveyard on alliance side.


The old going through the wall

I did not support this as it took the person inside a wall which obviously makes it an exploit. bla bla bla I did not support using this.
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Do you maybe know more tricks like this with elemental + wildcharge? I would love to hear them :D
 
Crystalpall said:
Do you maybe know more tricks like this with elemental + wildcharge? I would love to hear them :D
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What type of tricks? :p

A little more elaborating would be nice, that particular one I've used when I went to Stonetalon exploring the mountains but using the hunter pet which can climb a wall just perfectly and then using duel and fall damage to kill one self only to be resed up again by the druid who wild charged up just before the duel started.
 
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You can simply right click the character portrait and select report for cheating.

And yes, Blizzard does consider these and taking advantage of any bug an exploit. Some links you may find interesting.

http://cynwise.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/battleground-exploits/

http://cynwise.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/fence-jumping-in-wsg-and-terrain-exploits/

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/28658-ab-stables-roof-exploit/

Now to me, as long as you aren't actually hacking, I think it is kinda lame that your account could get suspended or banned for something they just never take the time to fix. Is an unsportsmanlike, dick move? To many, yes. But others do have the attitude of exploiting any possible advantage.

My opinion like many others is it depends. If it is just skillful play to get across the field faster, that's cool. If it makes you unattackable by another character then I think it's cheating and Blizzard needs to fix it.
 
Personally i believe their is a fine line between the two, but i'm not going to get my panties in a bunch if i see wall hacking happening, it's just part of the game, and even if i knew how do it, i wouldn't do it, because that's just not my game style. Terrain jumps and other stuff like that is completely acceptable, someone shouldn't be gimped from doing these sort of things just because other players haven't learned how to do them. I say, if you can still be targeted and attacked in some form, then it's all good. But if you're completely unable to be targeted by mpds or rdps, then that is sort of wack. But to each his own.
 
Acceptable, everyone has the option to do this. This is not like GM exploiting where you have to be lucky, and you're actually tricking someone, this is regarding moves that takes practice to perfect.
 
Taking Kinkaide's comment even further, because you clearly missed the mark by a few miles, I was referencing the Supreme Court case where a noted judge said "I know it when I see it," essentially exactly what Kinkaide said. Good luck defending something that 99% of the player base would call an exploit.
 
so, has anyone been banned for jumps?

as has been pointed out most can be done by anyone. the alli 2 -3rd lvl needs speed but not 1-2. horde side doesn't require anything. blizz has fixed the various wall-holes over the years but not the roof lvl changes. wonder why. either they don't consider them exploits or they don't care. the results however are the same.

there is also the alli side ledge that can take you out of los with some create use of rides, but i rarely see that used. not even sure if it works anymore (that i would consider to be an exploit because of the los).

personally i suck at the jumps so i appreciate the time it takes to get them down.

i wonder if 99% of the player base actually considers jumps exploits, i wouldn't make that assumption but i'm much too lazy to try and create a statistically accurate pole.
 
99% of statistics are made up on the spot. Your opinions are all valid.
 
The ones who complain are the ones who usually can't do it.
 
Achmed said:
..or the ones that like o play this game as it was meant to be played.
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I totally agree with you at this point!

"The ones who complain are the ones who usually can't do it." is just retarded to say, if that arguement was valid, it was okay to exploit and just insta kill everyone lol.
 
Either I'm mistaken, but to me it appears some people in this thead aren't talking about the same thing. Exploits such as climbing out of the map / using racials to get to places no one else can get to is a bannable offence. Now someone who can navigate obstactles in the map such as PHYSICAL cracks within stumps, or using the terrain of either sides roof to their advantage, is NOT a bannable offense. Nor should it be frowned upon because anyone in this game can learn to do said jumps, as any race and class.


I'd say people should define more specifically on which side they're talking about.
 
Achmed said:
..or the ones that like to play this game as it was meant to be played.
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The game is meant to be played by using all the posibilities you're given, not talking about exploiting. If you are able to climp onto horde tun roof from ground level, by jumping in certain ways, I'd say that's the way the game works, and you should feel free to do it.
Shamatix said:
f that arguement was valid, it was okay to exploit and just insta kill everyone lol.
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Great comparison...... Insta kill = exploit like Martin's Fury etc, jumping in certain ways is utilizing the enviroment..
 
Insta kill = exploit like Martin's Fury etc, jumping in certain ways is utilizing the enviroment..

However both goes against blizzards ToS and both are banable, and your arguement was "The ones who complain are the ones who usually can't do it." so if I spend time on exploiting and someone aint, it's "fine" to do so.
 
Shamatix said:
I totally agree with you at this point!

"The ones who complain are the ones who usually can't do it." is just retarded to say, if that arguement was valid, it was okay to exploit and just insta kill everyone lol.
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What? You made absolutely no sense. What a moronic comment.
 
Shamatix said:
Insta kill = exploit like Martin's Fury etc, jumping in certain ways is utilizing the enviroment..

However both goes against blizzards ToS and both are banable, and your arguement was "The ones who complain are the ones who usually can't do it." so if I spend time on exploiting and someone aint, it's "fine" to do so.
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First of all learn to quote..

Second, I didn't post that argument that was Sputnick.

And thirdly, doing terrain jumps isn't against Blizz's ToS, I think you've got it all messed up, we aren't talking about wall hacks, mount bug etc, this is common, ordinary terrain jumps which you will see in every BG..
 
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