US TC Reflections

[Muskie]

EF counts as a proc enchant. You were not allowed to have 2x proc enchants active at a time, meaning that you cant switch to a wep enchanted with EF when you get a crusader/landslide proc.

proc buffs, the rule was put in place to reduce the damage of 1shot rends with stacking saders or landslide. ele force after a sader proc was cited as being the legal alternative MANY MANY MANY times when the rules were being discussed, as we didnt want to affect the feel of playing a warrior, and the uniqueness of weapon swapping.

 

[Homerpimpson]

If you want to run a much smoother and a lot more entertaining (game-play and skill-wise) tournament you need to remove restrictions on how team's use their team class/spec/talent/race choices. Increase team player rosters up to 15-16 players and enforce a maximum of 15 minutes timer to be ready for the next game (that's enforced by harsh penalties if broken e.g. 1 flag cap against for breaking this rule). Of course still keeping the class/spec limit rules in place.

 

[Darkchewie]

I knew the chat would come up sooner or later.

The difference was we made you wait around for maybe 10 minutes before we decided to just yolo q & play out whatever happened. It was our mistake, ect. It was also like 10pm est when that happened in our first series.

I can assure you a 10 minute wait at 10pm & a 30-40 minute wait at 3am (it was like 11am for others on my team) are not the same thing.

Again, the decision had to come down to the myrm. We weren't crying for a DQ like many people were, we asked for a point, it was denied. This is a perfect example of where rules were bent whether you want to acknowledge it or not. AA was dq'd the day before after 20 minutes of the exact same situation. Our delay was nearly double that & nothing happened at all.

Rules need to be clearly written & upheld for every team involved if he plans to run future tournaments. That's all that needs to be said.

next time play better in the gulch and you won't have to resort to gimmicks to get points

the difference between a 10 min break and 27 min break is not for you to decide. We were gonna wait for kevi as long as you needed and when you agree to something you don't go back on it.

if you were so tired and couldn't play you should've taken our offer to do it another time, oh well?

 

[Bone]

First off I'm sorry for the Gamers-League stream debacle and I'd like to thank everyone that stepped up to help organize and stream the event. Without HB, Muskie, Tasslehof, Ephidel, Alex, Moran, Ishape, Nicozy and probably a few that I'm forgetting, there would not have been a stream. I should have went with a community stream from the beginning, but I also want to thank Gamers-League for the extra exposure and recognition they did get us. On Friday we got at least 880 legit viewers, and possibly as many as 2100, and we were the #1 WoW stream for most of the day even after the viewer count sharply declined.

I know a lot of people are upset with me because of way the rules were handled, but it's ridiculous when people say I'm biased or corrupt. If I had enforced the rules as they were written probably the only team that would not have been disqualified would be Waka Flocka Seagulls, and while I appreciate and applaud their exemplary conduct throughout the event, this is supposed to be a grand spectacle to determine who the greatest twinks in the bracket are, not a Simon Says contest. The formatting rules are created to contribute to this theme, but unfortunately sometimes ceremony or formality must be sacrificed for the sake of practicality. It seemed like some players and even teams were more concerned with trying to find some loophole to have their opponents disqualified for than with actually trying to prove themselves to be the better team, which goes against the whole spirit of the event.

This is a community event and I wanted to try to ensure that everyone that was involved had a fair chance to compete. I'm not some soulless bureaucrat who's going to dq 13 players from a yearly event that they've spent months practicing and looking forward to because they accidentally used a toy or changed the name of a character on their roster. I changed the rules to allow a team to play with subs from outside their roster with the opposing team's permission to allow Alpha Echelon, EBLG, Beantown bullies, and GSC to continue playing despite roster difficulties, and now I have people accusing me of being callous towards or even conspiring against these teams.

I thought it would be unfair to force a team to play against a team who wasn't using the roster they signed up with if they were using theirs, but I was also counting on the good natured spirit of the community to prevent anyone from actually refusing a team the opportunity to play; this was a miscalculation on my part and I apologize. I understand that this is a competition and people want to win at whatever cost but it just seemed like some of you lacked even basic understanding and compassion for your opponents. I want to see the Twink Cup and the community grow larger but I don't want you to lose your humanity.

Last year the finals ended in a draw, and I didn't want the conclusion of this year's event to be another letdown. SR was allowed to delay because it was the finals so there were no games that needed to be played after, the schedule was already way off course, and a disqualification would not have been a proper end for such a grand event. It wouldn't have mattered which teams were playing in the finals, they would have had the same treatment as SR.

People brought up Partys Over like "if this was them they'd be dq'd" as if they completely forgot the outcome of last year's event. A lot of the drama last year came from the fact that I didn't dq Party's Over and give SR the win, instead allowing the teams to tie. A lot of the drama during the tournament in general came from the fact that I didn't dq Partys Over, even though there was the same sort of witch hunt mentality from some people last year towards them as there was towards SR this year.

I appreciate everyone that participated and helped with the event, and thank you especially to the people that donated money to allow this event to grow to the scale that it did. I'm sorry if I let anyone down but I really did my best to make this tournament as enjoyable and fair as possible for everyone.

I agree with everything you wrote. I just wish I would have been more vocal about it instead of just sitting there saying "CAN WE JUST PLAY?!"

 

[Laurenti]

if you were so tired and couldn't play you should've taken our offer to do it another time, oh well?

I don't think that they could regroup at another time was the idea. Not every group of 10 people can just drop everything that they are doing in their lives to make up a twink cup final.

 

[Bake]

You act like JCM was the only guild that had to wait. We all dealt with the aftermath of the Ping BS .

its funny how you wanted to get us penalized a point yet earlier in the first series we played against jcm sudo asked if we would wait for kevi since he was getting dossed, which we said we would do as long as you returned the favor if something happened to us. Ya forget about that? Ill have pizza get the screenshot. And he wasn't gone 50 minutes you're exaggerating severely go look at the time in the vids.

To everyone else - all of you can keep up your witch hunt against SR to try and justify to yourselves why we won, but when it comes down to it we allowed concessions to everyone we played without question because we just wanted to beat you all in the gulch. We let alpha sub, we waited for kevi. We didn't resort to petty bullshit like bakemaster trying to get us dq'd for a Bigmoran name change because he knew they wouldn't be able to keep up with us in the actual game.

(WFS), "wouldn't be able to keep up with us in the actual game", wtf comment is that lol. We 2 capped you the first game with a ddos on our hunter at 5 mins left in the game, then the second game came down to a communication issue in the last 60 seconds. Also, WFS did not break a single rule but brought many teams to the attention of breaking rules. How would you possible feel if you donated $1000 dollars and you found out people were breaking rules and not being punished. I personally tried to support teams who faced rule breaking like BtB when they played GSC. All I wanted was this cup to be fair because I realized after the arena tournament, Myrm did not want to dq anyone, yet the community could then reflect at the end of the day of the actual evidence of what happened. I'm not targeting one guild, I'm just stating rules for the best of the community because if I donated $1000 I'd be pis$ed if cheating was occurring.

 

[Sudowoodo]

next time play better in the gulch and you won't have to resort to gimmicks to get points

the difference between a 10 min break and 27 min break is not for you to decide. We were gonna wait for kevi as long as you needed and when you agree to something you don't go back on it.

if you were so tired and couldn't play you should've taken our offer to do it another time, oh well?

You're acting very childish & it's very apparent that once again you're here to try to sport your ego.

Most of us had work today & with time-zone differences, vacations, ect. It wasn't a viable option for our team to simple push the finals back to a later date. We took days off for this weekend, after so long it's out of our hands. I don't think anyone came into this tournament expecting it to go 5 hours past the time it was scheduled to be done.

That difference is huge, the fact that you can't agree to that is massive. Nobodies saying we played well in the finals, I would have loved to see how you played under the circumstances we were under. Your team won, congratulations. That has quite literally nothing to do with the fact that certain rules were essentially written in stone for some teams & not for others.

You can't run a tournament & make up rulings as it goes.

 

[Darkchewie]

(WFS), "wouldn't be able to keep up with us in the actual game", wtf comment is that lol. We 2 capped you the first game with a ddos on our hunter at 5 mins left in the game, then the second game came down to a communication issue in the last 60 seconds. Also, WFS did not break a single rule but brought many teams to the attention of breaking rules. How would you possible feel if you donated $1000 dollars and you found out people were breaking rules and not being punished. I personally tried to support teams who faced rule breaking like BtB when they played GSC. All I wanted was this cup to be fair because I realized after the arena tournament, Myrm did not want to dq anyone, yet the community could then reflect at the end of the day of the actual evidence of what happened. I'm not targeting one guild, I'm just stating rules for the best of the community because if I donated $1000 I'd be ****** if cheating was occurring.

You were a great tune up for the challenging games later on, thanks for letting us shake off our rust.

Try harder next year

 

[Slacknul]

Hold on guys, let me grab a beer or 2.

 

[Carrot]

You were a great tune up for the challenging games later on, thanks for letting us shake off our rust.

Try harder next year

flush yourself boi

 

[danny glover]

i cant believe sr allowed a cap, they're really slipping

 

[Laurenti]

You were a great tune up for the challenging games later on, thanks for letting us shake off our rust.

Try harder next year

Chewie, be real with yourself lmao, they bodied you guys 2 games to nil under ideal conditions. What is really depressing is that you act so cocky after getting rolled by them in the first series. What is even worse, they are giving you mature responses and you are acting extremely childish... putting down a team that beat you in a series just makes you sound silly, at this point you might need pizza to help you with your TI posts as well

 

[Jva]

To those saying what was done didnt have an impact on the game? Sure it did, our gauntlet was 'broken' and we were forced to regroup after a wipe instead of just sending our team out again. there was LITERALLY no way we could have lost that game in the gauntlet situation, we could have had another attempt at breaking it, and it likely could have been successful.

Could you elaborate please? The problem with your statement is that everyone can watch the stream and see what happened. So if you say, that you had to react on him using the "trick/exploit" because your gauntlet was "broken", you are actually admitting that you were sniping the stream. Because the boomkin never opened on you. So in fact, none of you should have known that the boomkin was on roof. None of you should have thought the gauntlet was "broken". So none of you should have been forced to act the way you stated what in your opinion lead to an impact on the game.
I do think this is important since you are blaming a lot of people for bad sportsmanship here.

 

[Darkchewie]

You're acting very childish & it's very apparent that once again you're here to try to sport your ego.

Most of us had work today & with time-zone differences, vacations, ect. It wasn't a viable option for our team to simple push the finals back to a later date. We took days off for this weekend, after so long it's out of our hands. I don't think anyone came into this tournament expecting it to go 5 hours past the time it was scheduled to be done.

That difference is huge, the fact that you can't agree to that is massive. Nobodies saying we played well in the finals, I would have loved to see how you played under the circumstances we were under. Your team won, congratulations. That has quite literally nothing to do with the fact that certain rules were essentially written in stone for some teams & not for others.

You can't run a tournament & make up rulings as it goes.

No you're acting like a whining baby.

I had to go to work on no sleep today. We were just as tired as you and more drained from playing the most difficult series in the cup against gsc. We offered to play another day and you said no. At that point I don't wanna hear one thing out of your mouth about how tired you were and it affected your play. That's on you to get your **** together and man up it's the **** finals . Make roula do some push-ups if it will wake him up, but honestly not much would help him on fc when I think about it.

we were under the same circumstances you just couldn't handle it.

Not like i really had any respect for you left but if you'd take your loss like a man and stop throwing in the oh we were tired bs and oh you waited 7 minutes longer than allowed so we tried to doc you a game caz you knew you weren't playing well maybe I wouldn't come off this way talking to you.. Oh well.

 

[Darkchewie]

Chewie, be real with yourself lmao, they bodied you guys 2 games to nil under ideal conditions. What is really depressing is that you act so cocky after getting rolled by them in the first series. What is even worse, they are giving you mature responses and you are acting extremely childish... putting down a team that beat you in a series just makes you sound silly, at this point you might need pizza to help you with your TI posts as well

Bakemaster is a pos who tried to get any loophole advantage to win games and I don't **** with that at all. We played them first round because nobody's counting alpha and shook off the rust game 1 to win series never looked back. They did not beat us in a series, we beat them and they threw their series against gsc shortly after by not going roof g3. Oh well.

 

[Muskie]

Could you elaborate please? The problem with your statement is that everyone can watch the stream and see what happened. So if you say, that you had to react on him using the "trick/exploit" because your gauntlet was "broken", you are actually admitting that you were sniping the stream. Because the boomkin never opened on you. So in fact, none of you should have known that the boomkin was on roof. None of you should have thought the gauntlet was "broken". So none of you should have been forced to act the way you stated what in your opinion lead to an impact on the game.
I do think this is important since you are blaming a lot of people for bad sportsmanship here.

There was a weird interaction that happened on roof, when he stealthed up there i assumed, or body rezzed and targetted me, i had that thing that goes around your portrait like it gets all red, right before a hunter hits you from out of range type thing, we realized something was up. a few minutes later, our boomkins roomate came in yelling from the other room and said they were exploiting doing the deleted hearthstone thing

it actually felt like he cat jumped to me from FR, without a daze, but I knew that was impossible because i wasnt near the edge. same targetting feeling though.

 

[Sudowoodo]

No you're acting like a whining baby.

I had to go to work on no sleep today. We were just as tired as you and more drained from playing the most difficult series in the cup against gsc. We offered to play another day and you said no. At that point I don't wanna hear one thing out of your mouth about how tired you were and it affected your play. That's on you to get your **** together and man up it's the **** finals . Make roula do some push-ups if it will wake him up, but honestly not much would help him on fc when I think about it.

we were under the same circumstances you just couldn't handle it.

Not like i really had any respect for you left but if you'd take your loss like a man and stop throwing in the oh we were tired bs and oh you waited 7 minutes longer than allowed so we tried to doc you a game caz you knew you weren't playing well maybe I wouldn't come off this way talking to you.. Oh well.

I was trying to keep this professional but since we're diving into firing shots @ people on my team, a guy who literally stayed up until 11am to make sure we could finish our games I suppose i'll respond to it.

Roula played this cup infinitely better than you. In fact, almost every FC in this tournament did. It got to a point your team was sending 4-5 people to help you pick the flag due to your inability to do anything yourself. You might as well forfeit your tournament winnings to your team for babysitting you the past few months. This thread didn't turn into a team vs team flame fest until you made it one. You've always acted like an irrational child over the years & it's lead to most people not liking you, shocker.

I can assure you i'm not here looking for your respect. In case I haven't' made it painfully obvious already I don't respect your play & I don't respect your attitude.

 

[Boostz]

It's just painfully obvious that Chewie lives in his own little bubble. Doesn't even realize he basically became B team FC for SR over the weekend. I saw Pizza with the flag more than him.

**** I think even Zeiren gave him a run for his money.

 

[bolt]

I was trying to keep this professional but since we're diving into firing shots @ people on my team, a guy who literally stayed up until 11am to make sure we could finish our games I suppose i'll respond to it.

Roula played this cup infinitely better than you. In fact, almost every FC in this tournament did. It got to a point your team was sending 4-5 people to help you pick the flag due to your inability to do anything yourself. You might as well forfeit your tournament winnings to your team for babysitting you the past few months. This thread didn't turn into a team vs team flame fest until you made it one. You've always acted like an irrational child over the years & it's lead to most people not liking you, shocker.

I can assure you i'm not here looking for your respect. In case I haven't' made it painfully obvious already I don't respect your play & I don't respect your attitude.

well said

i feel this shows the general thoughts well Imgur

 

[Yîng]

Chewie acting cocky and childish. Whats new?