Stop playing garbage classes

[Hashbrowns]

i would play fire if they allowed scorch at a lower lvl

Just be fire, be the change you want to be Vet fire mage gets around 50% crit, it's very playable.

 

[h.o.t.h]

this bracket won't ever be as good as it could be, neither f2ps, vets or 29s want good competition. this bracket gets decent queues because of the large amount of jajas that q. a huge amount of good f2ps that used to play either quit or moved to different brackets cuz of how shit 20-29s have become. every wsg is just one sided, most of the time depending on how many 29s each team has.

only way this bracket could have the lvl of competition that it used to have is if f2ps stopped queuing ferals. 29s stop queuing bms, ferals, rogues and spriests. but this is a futile argument that many players will not side with cuz all they wanna do is pwn pwn pwn. any decent player that wants competitive games will leave this bracket eventually or stop queuing bgs until every wsg has 6-7 jajas and 3-4 29s. and the a few 29s on one team will leave cuz the other team has less jajas and more 29s. leading to f2p jaja ferals, bms and 29s farming the other jaja team to boost their epeens. just tl;dr

the lvl difference is fine in bgs, but its the enchants that needs to be removed for more of a fun and competitive bracket

 

[h.o.t.h]

Ok, I understand 29 BM Monk and Feral but spriest? They just got nerfed in 6.2 and even before they aren't THAT op just heal through their burst and then after that gg. And you talking about diversity but w/o 29 Spriest you would only see Disc priests @ 20/29 bc spriest @ 20 rofl yeah, no.

the only classes that can heal thru sp burst are healers, and their probably not able kill sp, even if u can out heal sp dmg, 20s run away from 29s, we know we cant fight them 1v1

 

[h.o.t.h]

here we go again, 20s walking around with a sense of self entitlement, 20s wouldnt exist all together without p2p.

one can not exist without the other.

we been here way before 24s/29s started twinking, and ACTAULLY we would prefer if 29s not be in the bgs,

 

[h.o.t.h]

Pro tip.

When calling on the people who pay the bills to not roll power classes maybe don't post on an account with a druid work in progress in the sig?

Its really fun to play an underpowered class like say a ele shaman only to get shit on by a failed to pay feral who then just HAS to t bag you.


Basically you want 29's to back of the broken bullshit that blizzard allows? Don't roll that same broken bullshit.

yes eles are crap right now

 

[h.o.t.h]

Lvl 20 disc have done allmost identical healing done with me around 300k+ and I'm 29.

I've seen lvl 20 arms/brew/balance druid and several other classes at 20 doing 300k+ damage

I been killed in stun many times from lvl20 feral druid.


Level difference doesn't mean shit anymore. Everything is scaled + you can use exact same enchants which scale too.

With 29 you have 3 advantages:

1. 1x Glyph
2. 1-2 extra spells (might be useful or not)
3. Couple gear choices which grant you slight advantage. Slight because gear is scaled so advantage is very minimal especially because everyone is using same boas.

Before wod advantage was huge but with now came veteran twinks which have exact same stats as 29 + exact same enchants.


Personally I deleted my 20-29 because can't be arsed to wait 30 min ques as HORDE. People are so retarded that they still haven't blacklisted av and they join random bg. Why can't people just join wsg? Many people don't know but before wod ques at 20 were always instant. always.

Sometimes it's instant if random signs us to wsg but sometimes I have to wait 20min+ because random leads us for av which will never happen. Example: Your ques as lvl 100 alliance are 10x smaller if you just blacklist av+ioc.

I'll just play lvl 100 arenas from now on.

i agree with que times being almost unbearable, while w8ing im just on my phone away from my computer, PPL PLEASE REMOVE AV FROM RANDOM

 

[h.o.t.h]

Mage is fun

i play fire if they allowed scorch at lower lvl

 

[Eriwen]

i play fire if they allowed scorch at lower lvl

I've played frost since day 1 of my 29 mages career, they are really strong atm.

 

[Tiptoe]

I play 29 BM to get my anger out.

 

[Slacknul]

play feral to pwn noobs.

 

[Glissade]

yes eles are crap right now

You two are funny lol.

Perplex

 

[Drinker]

I just wanted to say I treasure those games I spent demo leaping in circles around you even if I could never break your BM shield.

cheers

Likewise

 

[Franchi]

In cata the only 24 twink i saw was sp, and then in MoP when blizz kept losing more subs, they gave ppl OP enchants, so the way ppl are twinking right now is broken, if blizz were ever to take away the Op enchants, it can probably be guarantee most p2ps wouldn't play low lvl brackets b/c they cant face roll 20s
but they wont. but serves blizz right for losing subs b/c they made their own game into something no1 finds fun anymore

Enchants have been around since CLASSIC.

Twinks have ALWAYS used enchants not intended for their level, its what MAKES us twinks.

Please remove the wow folder from your PC.


GET THE F OF MY LAWN!

 

[h.o.t.h]

Enchants have been around since CLASSIC.

Twinks have ALWAYS used enchants not intended for their level, its what MAKES us twinks.

Please remove the wow folder from your PC.


GET THE F OF MY LAWN!

ofc enchants have always been around, but in 5.1/2 blizz allowed OP enchants like dancing steel to be used at low lvls, which wasn't an option till MoP, so if you weren't here before then, you probably dont kow what happened in bgs during cata

but if ur talking about twinking that dosent involve f2ps then thats not a problem cuz ppl can just bis enchants buy and stop their xp at max lvl in a certain bracket

 

[Franchi]

ofc enchants have always been around, but in 5.1/2 blizz allowed OP enchants like dancing steel to be used at low lvls, which wasn't an option till MoP, so if you weren't here before then, you probably dont kow what happened in bgs during cata

but if ur talking about twinking that dosent involve f2ps then thats not a problem cuz ppl can just bis enchants buy and stop their xp at max lvl in a certain bracket

Cause mongoose and sader were trash chants right?

What are you like 8?

No restriction on chants came at a price that price being enchants scaleing, use to be a STR user in this bracket could get 15 STR to gloves now its 5, used to be 9 stamina was possible on bracers now its 6, see where I am going? Enchants used to be BETTER than they are now for tinks.

Like i said

GET

OF

MY

LAWN!

 

[Potatosoup]

Old enchants were better for stats, but I think the new weapon enchants make up for it. I think some enchants like elem force are a little too strong at lower levels. I would like to play around and be able to roll with landslide and other cool stat boosting enchants but as of the moment elem force is too much of a dps increase to not use, so it makes me feel like im forced to roll with it. Ill admit though, Im loving the fact that it procs off dots, that makes some classes actually viable and without it they would be far weaker, so I guess its a double edged sword on this issue. Like with my rogue deadly poison procs elem force and so does throw, with makes throw actually viable and not just used to keep someone in combat or break a bandage, ive actually hit like four 200 dmg throws in a row which was hilarious.

 

[h.o.t.h]

Cause mongoose and sader were trash chants right?

What are you like 8?

No restriction on chants came at a price that price being enchants scaleing, use to be a STR user in this bracket could get 15 STR to gloves now its 5, used to be 9 stamina was possible on bracers now its 6, see where I am going? Enchants used to be BETTER than they are now for tinks.

Like i said

GET

OF

MY

LAWN!

only 1 more time that was in MoP, and f2ps couldnt get those enchants b/c of skillcap, if ur talking about p2ps that could buy mongoose or any of the OP enchants, then ofc blizz nerfed it, having 60 agil on 24 was ridiculous. its a good thing enchants got nerf b/c bg were basically u have to hide if u didnt want to b gy farmed. having to rely on ur faction being lucky enough to get p2ps was taking the fun out of bgs. but if you want the enchants to b 60 SP or AP again then im pretty sure any p2ps that play ferals, bms, sp, rets, hunters could still out dps and kill f2ps. it would b like MoP but now u w8 20-30 min

and IM TALKING ABOUT F2P bracket, not some 70s or endgame pvp, cuz they didnt need to worry about being out geared

 

[Franchi]

only 1 more time that was in MoP, and f2ps couldnt get those enchants b/c of skillcap, if ur talking about p2ps that could buy mongoose or any of the OP enchants, then ofc blizz nerfed it, having 60 agil on 24 was ridiculous. its a good thing enchants got nerf b/c bg were basically u have to hide if u didnt want to b gy farmed. having to rely on ur faction being lucky enough to get p2ps was taking the fun out of bgs. but if you want the enchants to b 60 SP or AP again then im pretty sure any p2ps that play ferals, bms, sp, rets, hunters could still out dps and kill f2ps. it would b like MoP but now u w8 20-30 min

and IM TALKING ABOUT F2P bracket, not some 70s or endgame pvp, cuz they didnt need to worry about being out geared

Then QQ about it in the failed to pay section. Discussion in this section is 20-29, meaning the fact that enchants have been around since classic and were much stronger back in the day is relevant to the discussion also mongoose on a 29 pre nerf made ele force look like trash.
Here I'll even drop you a link.

Level Twenty Twinking

In other words GET OFF MY LAWN!

 

[h.o.t.h]

Then QQ about it in the failed to pay section. Discussion in this section is 20-29, meaning the fact that enchants have been around since classic and were much stronger back in the day is relevant to the discussion also mongoose on a 29 pre nerf made ele force look like trash.
Here I'll even drop you a link.

Level Twenty Twinking

In other words GET OFF MY LAWN!

enchants needed a certain ilvl or required lvl b4 MoP, blizz then allowed whatever enchants ppl wanted b/c they were losing subs, instead of trying to make their game better they gave ppl a broken way of twinking. if u need enchants to b 100 in bgs then learn to play ur fotm classes. and if u like enchants being better in classic than now, u should QQ about how nerf u feel in this bracket

 

[Stam]

I respect that F2P 20's have a substantial influence on the current bracket (and did so on the 20-24 bracket), but unfortunately, it has since evolved. In essence, you're not paying to play the game, so you surely must accept that you're not going to have the best of everything. That aside, I also respect that the issue raised isn't so much about that, it's about the influx of OP classes. I digress.

The whole idea of Twinking revolves around building a powerful character and taking advantage of available gear/enchants/consumables to enhance its performance, right? Naturally, this is what people are going to do, if they can. There are substantial amount of players who, and understandably so, get bored of Max-level content and look for an alternative playing method. They discover that a lower level bracket is active, and then they source out what the best class is and roll that (Ferals/monks etc). Why? Because they simply want to wreck your shit. That's the whole point of making their new character, in their eyes.

As (primarily) an FC'ing Druid, I hate that even with a substantial amount of HP in bear form, Ferals can pop me like a balloon before I can bat an eye lid. Hence, I don't support the spec. I am not alone in this, as many active guilds are disallowing the spec. I know that BM's are also often limited. What I'm trying to say is; WE KNOW that some things shouldn't be. But how do you stop every bored Joe-nobody from rolling something OP for lolz? I don't think we can...

Let me ask you this; if you played, let's say, a Hunter, and then all of a sudden they got a HUGE buff and became Godly, would you change your main because they got over-buffed? I doubt it. Because you enjoy it right? Well, that's another reason people play the OP classes. They might main it at 100, and naturally assume their "talent" rolls over to 29.

Why disadvantage yourself if you're a PAYING customer? If you're able to roll a 29, then honestly, why bother investing time and money into something which you won't see a reward from? If you have the time to invest in disappointment, I would suggest a life-reevaluation.

You have to look at the huge counter-arguments for WHY these issues are such big issues. In a dream world feral wouldn't be able to hit for stupidthousand, BM wouldn't be able to soak up more than a Shamwow, and Spriests wouldn't be able to take off bigger chunks than great-white Sharks. But HEY, that's not the players' fault... That's on Blizz to fix.
In the mean-time, sit tight. I feel your pain, truely, and I appreciate that the F2P's are active, even with the big picture issues.