Achmed said:
99% sure our conversation was never about me impressing you, but rather, me showing you that I participate in end game (not just twinking, like you suggested earlier). But now that attacking whether or not I play end game is off the table, might as well move on to attacking my characters for their accomplishments, amirite? Gotsta keep dose goal posts moving!
I miss the part where i said that I dont have a job tbh, nor that my parents are paying the huge amount of 26 euros monthly (thanks God).
Anyway, I would stop to refer them in that way, i really do. Sadly there isn't any other words to describe that kind of people. Whoever paids for them.
You literally just called people who pay for Wow subs 'whiny rich kids.' This is something only a poor person would do (a very bitter, resentful poor person). Therefore, 'I have no job/mommy and daddy buy me things' was very much implied in your post.
Leverage said:
And Mother Blizzy know that, they know that really good, for this reason they are doing this, to give their kiddy, whiny and "rich" customers more advantage.
Except that Blizzard didn't merge the brackets to give anyone an advantage. They merged them to take advantage of new scaling tech in order to decrease wait times for BGs by effectively doubling the size of the pool the matchmaking system draws people from. 'Giving paying players an advantage' probably never even came up in a Blizzard meeting on the subject. Especially since they've gone to extensive lengths to bring classes in line with each other and scale down enchants to help facilitate 'a better gaming experience for levelers.'
Your post really shows how little you know/understand about Blizzard as a company. They don't give two shits about twinks or F2P players (until those players start disrupting the game for everyone else). That's why we have our own segregated queues, why F2P 'twinks' get put into them, and why we have an XP-off button in the first place. All of these things are designed and intended to improve the quality of life for a
leveling player. Even if that means every single bracket is completely dead. Blizzard just doesn't give a shit about us.
The only reason why you can even
make a F2P twink is because Blizzard removed the time limit on trial accounts in an effort to cut down on the amount of dead server space being taken up by inactive, expired trials. If people are playing those accounts instead, Blizzard can justify letting them use that server space because those players are more likely to upgrade an account if they still have access to it (thereby giving Blizzard money), rather than just leaving it dead and forgotten.
The only reason why you make F2Ps at level 20 instead of some other arbitrary level is because that's where the level limit is set on trial accounts. Your entire bracket exists as a matter of happenstance, not design or intent. Blizzard didn't say 'hey guys, lets give you your own place to play right here at level 20, where everything is perfect for a twinking environment.' Nope, you get the leftovers of the leftovers of game development and you come here to complain about 29s being in 'your' bracket. I'm sorry, but we twinked at level 29 intentionally. We've been twinking at level 29 since Vanilla, when brackets were shifted from level 21-30 to level 20-29.
We've twinked nonstop for nearly a decade, through thick and thin, through rough patches where we've seen activity decline or major game systems completely break twinking. We've stuck around, pulling through each downward trend so that our preferred bracket might get some activity and we can enjoy ourselves one day. We've done all of this, despite the infestation of cockroaches that have shown up in the 20-29 bracket, comprised of players full of entitlement issues and 'look what I can do!' mentalities. I understand how difficult it is to organize enough interest to get activity in a dead bracket, and I know what it is to feel left out in the cold by Blizzard.
But I'm
married to this bracket. It's the one I fell in love with during TBC when I stumbled into twinking. It's the bracket I've grown old with over the last decade as I've seen Azeroth struggle through countless nip tuck procedures just to remain attractive to prospective new players in 2014. I've worked hard to contribute to this bracket, and I'll be damned if I'm going to give it up to a bunch of freeloaders who will literally
play any bracket they don't have to pay for.
So good luck getting Blizzard to give two shits about your plight at the hands of us 29s. I'm going to enjoy squashing your heads until the end of time.
Deadvulcano said:
The f2p blackhole comment is spot on. People are playing for pvp activity. Other brackets are not going to come back without a great deal of effort. One only needs to look at the reroll to op, talent exploit, gemmers, etc. to see that challenging effort does not mix with the community as a whole.
The thread subtlety indicates the hypocrisy of complaining about op stuff and then engaging in op stuff when it's available.
This bracket is as balanced as it has ever been. I have yet to see a 29 that made me think that things were brokenly imbalanced. Honestly though, if this bracket was completely balanced it wouldn't be any fun to play in.
F2Ps are 'twinks in denial.' Hypocritical 'twinks' at that. They want to get the best gear and enchants available, completely willing to exploit whatever they can, but goddamn those paying players who use 'advantages' in pvp because they
pay for them. That's like calling an end game raider a 'whiny rich kid' because he pays to slay dragons. You're
supposed to pay for the game. That's how Blizzard obtains the money to continue developing and maintaining said game.
As I said before, if no one paid, then no one would be able to play. Using starter accounts to 'twink' with is
literally welfare. 'I don't want to pay for the game because it's not what I expect, but I'm willing to play the free part of it and bitch about things I don't like about it.'
Chef said:
See I would have no problem paying for a good bracket. But all I see is poisonos bitching and all the othter brackets and players leaving those brackets to play 20-X. I would pay and play a real twink if I didnt have to constantly stomp f2ps. Because that is no fun and p2ps playing f2p are proof of that. Its a chicken egg problem. I dont pay because there is no worthwhile bracket and there is no worthwhile bracket because i dont pay. I enjoy the enounters against other f2ps and not agains p2p. As a p2p the same thing in reverse. I honestly do not see how p2p is ever going to outnumber f2p in its current state.
It's more of a 'field of dreams' issue. If you build it, they will come. We have to build it first though. Even just patch 6.0 has gotten a lot of old players back into twinking (though I feel like skirms deserve most of the credit for that), some of those people who had even flat out quit Wow, vowing never to return. Honestly, all it takes are 30 interested people to get pops happening in a given bracket. That's the most difficult part.
Having a significantly more balanced game to do that with should help a lot in the coming months.
