EU+US Stam set for Druid

[necroaqua]

Is the ironscale gf'd? And is it +3 or 4 at 19?

Ironscale can only be put on BoE or BoA items and gives 4stam/2dodge. So scouting trousers (pick ones with verse) have 9 stam + 4 stam for 13 stam without grandfathered gear. Grandfathered/exploited gear can see higher stam - but is either impossible or difficult/risky to get.


I will note that FC druids really like verse. It reduces damage by %, which increases your effective health. It also boosts your self-healing, though not as much as int. And of course it also boosts your damage, which can also help.

When you have 6+ stacks and no longer have movespeed advantages, you 100% want verse over int/crit/haste. You're unlikely to survive long when you can't run and are taking that much increased damage. Without speed boosts, its difficult (though not impossible) to go into caster form to heal without dying due to the lowered hp/armor compared to bear.

So you generally want 3 sets.

1. Healing set. #teamplayer. For newer players, this means the full fang set for the int bonuses. Lots of int items (green lens, swap deep fathom ring for BG ring with int, use cloak with int (brotherhood/sporid), etc) and optional some enchant switches. This set wants ele force and mark of the hidden satyr to throw dots when it can for some significant damage.
2. FC fast set. For crossing mid or while holding without stacks. Trade some items for more stam/verse options. Make sure you have Minor Speed (not boars speed or w/e) and Gift of verse for maximum speed in travel/cat form. Hard to catch and somewhat hard to kill.
3. Stacks set. You're taking significant increased damage and no longer have movespeed. Trade out everything/anything for maximum effective health (aka, max stam/verse) and don't worry about movespeed enchants.

 

[Goesid]

Ironscale can only be put on BoE or BoA items and gives 4stam/2dodge. So scouting trousers (pick ones with verse) have 9 stam + 4 stam for 13 stam without grandfathered gear. Grandfathered/exploited gear can see higher stam - but is either impossible or difficult/risky to get.


I will note that FC druids really like verse. It reduces damage by %, which increases your effective health. It also boosts your self-healing, though not as much as int. And of course it also boosts your damage, which can also help.

So http://www.wowhead.com/item=6282/sacred-burial-trousers ?

 

[Kórnikus20]

Hmmm, for the set2, I thought that speed enchant in cloak and speed enchants in boots were no stackeable. Maybe the no stackeable are the boar+cloak but the stackeable ones are the minor+cloak?
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=34008/boars-speed
http://www.wowhead.com/item=38837/enchant-boots-minor-speed

http://www.wowhead.com/item=110656/enchant-cloak-gift-of-versatility

And for the set3, are there higher sta enchants compared with speed+sta enchants?

 

[necroaqua]

So http://www.wowhead.com/item=6282/sacred-burial-trousers ?

If you have em. Those were available when you could use leg armor through the trade window too, so possible to have the old nethercleft leg armor on there.

 

[Tonkks]

Ironscale can only be put on BoE or BoA items and gives 4stam/2dodge. So scouting trousers (pick ones with verse) have 9 stam + 4 stam for 13 stam without grandfathered gear. Grandfathered/exploited gear can see higher stam - but is either impossible or difficult/risky to get.


I will note that FC druids really like verse. It reduces damage by %, which increases your effective health. It also boosts your self-healing, though not as much as int. And of course it also boosts your damage, which can also help.

When you have 6+ stacks and no longer have movespeed advantages, you 100% want verse over int/crit/haste. You're unlikely to survive long when you can't run and are taking that much increased damage. Without speed boosts, its difficult (though not impossible) to go into caster form to heal without dying due to the lowered hp/armor compared to bear.

So you generally want 3 sets.

1. Healing set. #teamplayer. For newer players, this means the full fang set for the int bonuses. Lots of int items (green lens, swap deep fathom ring for BG ring with int, use cloak with int (brotherhood/sporid), etc) and optional some enchant switches. This set wants ele force and mark of the hidden satyr to throw dots when it can for some significant damage.
2. FC fast set. For crossing mid or while holding without stacks. Trade some items for more stam/verse options. Make sure you have Minor Speed (not boars speed or w/e) and Gift of verse for maximum speed in travel/cat form. Hard to catch and somewhat hard to kill.
3. Stacks set. You're taking significant increased damage and no longer have movespeed. Trade out everything/anything for maximum effective health (aka, max stam/verse) and don't worry about movespeed enchants.

What legs are exploited?

So http://www.wowhead.com/item=6282/sacred-burial-trousers ?

Yes. These are great for druids.

 

[necroaqua]

Hmmm, for the set2, I thought that speed enchant in cloak and speed enchants in boots were no stackeable. Maybe the no stackeable are the boar+cloak but the stackeable ones are the minor+cloak?
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=34008/boars-speed
http://www.wowhead.com/item=38837/enchant-boots-minor-speed

http://www.wowhead.com/item=110656/enchant-cloak-gift-of-versatility

And for the set3, are there higher sta enchants compared with speed+sta enchants?

Minor speed is magical and stacks with everything.

Boar's speed (and any other hybrid enchant) doesn't stack, and it doesn't give a boost to cat/travel form either.

So...for Caster/Bear, Cat, Travel forms respectively...
Nothing = 100%, 130%, 140%
Boar speed = 110%, 130%, 140%
Boar speed + gift = 110%, 132%, 142%
Minor speed = 110%, 140%, 150%
Minor speed + gift = 112%, 142%, 152%



And according to Swoops' enchant spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...Hsjw9Rs6uprLUykbHJE2wQy6s/edit#gid=1972445623

Theres a 3 stam enchant to boots.
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What legs are exploited?

Theres a way to put leg enchants through trade window.

 

[Kórnikus20]

http://www.wowhead.com/item=22543/formula-enchant-boots-fortitude
Ah, thanks bro

 

[Tonkks]

Minor speed is magical and stacks with everything.

Boar's speed (and any other hybrid enchant) doesn't stack, and it doesn't give a boost to cat/travel form either.

So...for Caster/Bear, Cat, Travel forms respectively...
Nothing = 100%, 130%, 140%
Boar speed = 110%, 130%, 140%
Boar speed + gift = 110%, 132%, 142%
Minor speed = 110%, 140%, 150%
Minor speed + gift = 112%, 142%, 152%



And according to Swoops' enchant spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...Hsjw9Rs6uprLUykbHJE2wQy6s/edit#gid=1972445623

Theres a 3 stam enchant to boots.
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Theres a way to put leg enchants through trade window.

Only on newly dropped items or old ones as well?

 

[necroaqua]

Only on newly dropped items or old ones as well?

On anything soulbound afaik. I don't know the specifics...probably something in the royal lounge.

 

[Zinqo]

On anything soulbound afaik. I don't know the specifics...probably something in the royal lounge.

Quite easy.... just take a high lvl with u in dungeons and whenever shit drop u enchant it will you trade at the last sec...

 

[fahr]

Nice great info! Tbh I just want a stam set for having a max now possible stam set.

 

[Tonkks]

Quite easy.... just take a high lvl with u in dungeons and whenever shit drop u enchant it will you trade at the last sec...

That is how it USED to be done, but I thought this had been fixed. Does anyone have any hard evidence/done this recently?

 

[necroaqua]

That is how it USED to be done, but I thought this had been fixed. Does anyone have any hard evidence/done this recently?

I remember someone posting recently about having done it with leggings of the fang in the prepatch. I can't remember who or which of the many threads it was...

 

[Goesid]

I remember someone posting recently about having done it with leggings of the fang in the prepatch. I can't remember who or which of the many threads it was...

The druid Thotfc bought. In chatbox

 

[Zinqo]

That is how it USED to be done, but I thought this had been fixed. Does anyone have any hard evidence/done this recently?

Aint fixed....................................

 

[Kórnikus20]

@Goesid, the sacred trousers are appearing again like other gf items in the rare drops?
Or was it from quest? I do not know if the gf quest items are back too or not

 

[Goesid]

@Goesid, the sacred trousers are appearing again like other gf items in the rare drops?
Or was it from quest? I do not know if the gf quest items are back too or not

Its a quest. Though I imagine http://www.wowhead.com/item=2982/seers-pants could be pretty nice scaled.

 

[Quack]

Has any1 worked out a armor : vers ratio

 

[DoByG]

Has any1 worked out a armor : vers ratio

For druids, 1 armor is a little better than 1 vers most of the time (depending on the attacker ofc). Exact ration can be calculated for different situations (in/out of bear form, spell vs mele incoming dmg etc.) but I would say on avg 3 armor = 4 vers in my tests (half the dmg in bear form - 25 % spell and 25 % mele, the other half out of bear form - 25 % spell and 25 % mele)

 

[Quack]

For druids, 1 armor is a little better than 1 vers most of the time (depending on the attacker ofc). Exact ration can be calculated for different situations (in/out of bear form, spell vs mele incoming dmg etc.) but I would say on avg 3 armor = 4 vers in my tests (half the dmg in bear form - 25 % spell and 25 % mele, the other half out of bear form - 25 % spell and 25 % mele)

thank you!