Speed/Hallowed Ground holy paladin

Kaxle said:
Then you are just trading the boots 10% for the swords 10% you need boot 10 and sword 10 for the additional 20%
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Maybe I'm not making myself clear at all.

I have 23% movement speed from +speed on i28 gear... not including the sword or my boot enchant... as they do not stack... see below.

1) If I take the sword AND the boots (my boots have leech by the way so not relevent) OFF i have 23% movement speed world... just tested... so no sword and no boot/enchant.
1) If I take the boots off and have the Sword equipped I have 23% movement speed world... just tested
3) If I take the sword off and have the boots on I have 23% movement speed world... just tested
4) regardless of what boot enchant I have/no boots, it does not matter... the Sword does not stack with speed.
5) Unless you are claiming that the minior speed boot enchant is what MAKES the sword stack with speed... the sword does not stack with speed.

I think you were missing point one.
 
JadeFire said:
just to no boots, so no conflict at all.
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Are you looking at the speed stat itself? Because that doesnt factor in minor speed and the speed from the blade. It's just from speed enchant stuff.

They used to show movement speed before in the stats sheet, but now you need deja to properly see. While I don't bother with speed gear, I can confirm minor speed and the 2h wep do stack but speed plus stat enchant to boots do not stack with the blade.

It's very finicky and annoying.

Edit: you can confirm this by mounting up and noticing the 23% not change. If this was your movement speed and not the bonus from speed stat stuff only, then that would show a higher number since you are riding a mount. Deja shows movement speed and it correctly changes when mounted. Again super annoying.
 
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@JadeFire instead of posting what you are "discovering" or "missing", maybe take another look at the picture i posted (based on observed stats inside BGs, with https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/dejacharacterstats

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I'm looking at the numbers and also because I have eyes and can see myself not change in speed as I run around.

I can take all/half my i28s off and I can see the difference CLEARLY between 0% speed... 10% speed and 23% speed... its clear as day... one is slow.. the other is in the middle... the other is fast... anyway I equip the sword... I DO NOT go to 33% speed.

If I did not have the toon I would not be arguing... but.

Again the chart is showing me something that I can see is not happening... I would LOVE 33% speed... so believe me, lets figure it out... but it's not working.
 
tence said:
Maybe you're just going so fast you don't notice you're actually speeding!
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As funny as that is... maybe it is the case. I'll just do some video tests, because I would imagine I could see the difference between 23% and 33%... but apparently not, maybe I'm just old and stupid as fuck.
 
man if i wasn't busy getting owned by alliance premades, i'd remember to take a SS inside my next BG.
 
Kaxle said:
Since this could be a case of character sheets lying glancealot and JadeFire should just race
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The true essence of 20 PVP has been discovered.

Unrelated side note: Anyway lets just disregard everything I posted, it turns out I was old/dumb as fuck... it does stack, it's just not that noticeable.
 
it is pretty noticable when a 122% speed retadin is getting kited by you.
 
glancealot said:
it is pretty noticable when a 122% speed retadin is getting kited by you.
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Maybe, I don't think it stands up to anybody with an S tier toon tho, they just turn around and kill you... I rather just have a cookie cutter hp build to take the shots.
 
JadeFire said:
Maybe, I don't think it stands up to anybody with an S tier toon tho, they just turn around and kill you... I rather just have a cookie cutter hp build to take the shots.
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def not an S tiered ret :)
 
Thats Theory Crafting I can get behind. All in all it has to fit your playstyle. It's definately something that I would test to a certain degree.

For Comparison for how much does your "Flash of Light" "Holy Light" heal and at which casting time. Outside of BG. (to see how much healing power you sacrifice for more runingspeed)

Right now my Stats are (no flask, wizard oil) 192 int, 8% Haste, 16% vers. My "Flash of Light" heals for 390 at 1.4 sec casting time. "Holy Light" 603 at 2.3 sec casting time.
 
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sw0495 said:
Thats Theory Crafting I can get behind. All in all it has to fit your playstyle. It's definately something that I would test to a certain degree.

For Comparison for how much does your "Flash of Light" "Holy Light" heal and at which casting time. Outside of BG. (to see how much healing power you sacrifice for more runingspeed)

Right now my Stats are (no flask, wizard oil) 192 int, 8% Haste, 16% vers. My "Flash of Light" heals for 390 at 1.4 sec casting time. "Holy Light" 603 at 2.3 sec casting time.
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It is not even theorycrafting at this point, I have been doing BGs with it, it has been working well.

Of course I cannot really do anything about all the alliance premades (or just the sheer number of alliance twinks) out there but for games where the two sides are evenly matched (horde being 1/10 or 2/15 twinks down is what i consider evenly matched at this point, lol), this build works amazingly well. it also suits my style (i am more of a solo guy: to me, playing a healer isn't about grabbing a dps class and healbot)

There is no need to compare the stats because people don't all have access to the same gears, But for the most part, the only material change from regular paladin is the runeblade. you do lose a bunch of int, some armor, but the health regen and the speed bonus is amazing and I think it is totally worth it.
 
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glancealot said:
It is not even theorycrafting at this point, I have been doing BGs with it, it has been working well.

Of course I cannot really do anything about all the alliance premades (or just the sheer number of alliance twinks) out there but for games where the two sides are evenly matched (horde being 1/10 or 2/15 twinks down is what i consider evenly matched at this point, lol), this build works amazingly well. it also suits my style (i am more of a solo guy: to me, playing a healer isn't about grabbing a dps class and healbot)

There is no need to compare the stats because people don't all have access to the same gears, But for the most part, the only material change from regular paladin is the runeblade. you do lose a bunch of int, some armor, but the health regen and the speed bonus is amazing and I think it is totally worth it.
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unequipping my wep and shield lowers my FOL by 102, sacred shield by 128, and holy light by 158. That is significant lol

Edit: this is about 1/3 of my overall healing output per ability.
 
It's only around 60 less for FOL, not 100+.

but that's beside the point, i consider the additional speed and its implied survivability boost totally worth it.

I am sure people will start trying it out and I won't be the only proponent of this hpal build (although speed 28 gears are a lil hard to come by, especially those with the right suffix and socket). you don't even need a ton of gears, as my chart shows, after getting runeblade, minor speed and cape enchant, 20+ speed is all you need (on PTR, shoulder/belt/gloves and boots offer 5 speed each)
 
glancealot said:
It's only around 60 less for FOL, not 100+.

but that's beside the point, i consider the additional speed and its implied survivability boost totally worth it.

I am sure people will start trying it out and I won't be the only proponent of this hpal build (although speed 28 gears are a lil hard to come by, especially those with the right suffix and socket). you don't even need a ton of gears, as my chart shows, after getting runeblade, minor speed and cape enchant, 20+ speed is all you need (on PTR, shoulder/belt/gloves and boots offer 5 speed each)
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I can back up those numbers with ss's if you'd like. Its more than 60.

Your worth as a healer is your ability to output enough healing to keep everyone up. Gimping your heals this much is significant and will negatively impact the overall team. You can be sonic but if everyone else is dead because you couldnt keep them up does it really matter?
 
tence said:
I can back up those numbers with ss's if you'd like. Its more than 60.

Your worth as a healer is your ability to output enough healing to keep everyone up. Gimping your heals this much is significant and will negatively impact the overall team. You can be sonic but if everyone else is dead because you couldnt keep them up does it really matter?
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We can agree to disagree until more paladins try out this 2-h speed build and provide more feedback.

but i want to say that the current PVP enviorment (at least over the weekend based on what I have seen) isn't really that healthy for the curious minds on either side: for alliance, whatever build you choose will work well because your team will win most of the time. for horde, whatever build you choose will not work well when your team is stuck at graveyard (no pun intended)
 
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