Should the bracket move away from Bleeding Hollow?

everyone on one server is the best thing for the bracket

the amount of premades i did combined in the vengeance/cyclone was easily less than what i did on the ptr. the numerous guilds across servers made for good drama and forum content but it had nothing to do with the quality of games.

best 19 action ever was on the PTR because everyone was consolidated on one server and premade lvl games could be played with little to no prep. the ego and fear shit that used to get into the way of premades (dont know if still does) was pretty much a non-factor because it was a blend of so many guilds/servers. ideally you would just have a mega guild for each faction on BH, but having a bunch of individual guilds on there would be the next best thing.

wargames/no more skirmishes makes it even more obvious that one mega server is the best for the bracket
 
Tombrady said:
everyone on one server is the best thing for the bracket

the amount of premades i did combined in the vengeance/cyclone was easily less than what i did on the ptr. the numerous guilds across servers made for good drama and forum content but it had nothing to do with the quality of games.

best 19 action ever was on the PTR because everyone was consolidated on one server and premade lvl games could be played with little to no prep. the ego and fear shit that used to get into the way of premades (dont know if still does) was pretty much a non-factor because it was a blend of so many guilds/servers. ideally you would just have a mega guild for each faction on BH, but having a bunch of individual guilds on there would be the next best thing.

wargames/no more skirmishes makes it even more obvious that one mega server is the best for the bracket
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don't bother arguing with mocha he will just report you for being off topic.
 
Agree with Tombrady :)

Will be able to bring back the good old days by doing war games and doing arenas etc
 
Really the blame here lies with Unstablle and Busdriver for convincing me to transfer to Bleeding Hollow.
And then because Desh and I had characters there already, us deciding it would be where we put our Horde Prodigy.
And then us convincing Pizza to transfer over to play Hunter for us.
And then Pizza convincing the rest of Pizza Hut to transfer over and create Waw Tawent.
And then Blizzard for destroying skirmishes causing people to need to be on the same server to arena.
And then me for making this post.

In conclusion, people blaming Pizza for causing a decline in 19s by recruiting good players to one server is like trying to blame the economic crisis on Columbus convincing people to come to America in the first place.
 
Ertai said:
Really the blame here lies with Unstablle and Busdriver for convincing me to transfer to Bleeding Hollow.
And then because Desh and I had characters there already, us deciding it would be where we put our Horde Prodigy.
And then us convincing Pizza to transfer over to play Hunter for us.
And then Pizza convincing the rest of Pizza Hut to transfer over and create Waw Tawent.
And then Blizzard for destroying skirmishes causing people to need to be on the same server to arena.
And then me for making this post.

In conclusion, people blaming Pizza for causing a decline in 19s by recruiting good players to one server is like trying to blame the economic crisis on Columbus convincing people to come to America in the first place.
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To be fair the economic crisis is totally Columbus' fault.
 
-There was a huge difference between old school PTR and what Bleeding Hollow is now.

-Calling it the "Best thing for the bracket" is a pretty serious statement and would require knowledge that no one posses. We can only guess as to what the best course of action may be, but labeling this off the cuff as being the "Best thing for the bracket" is not, in my opinion, the most easily backed up statement.

-Having 1 super guild per faction results in numerous players who do not get to see a premade. Only 10 players contribute per faction.

-I do agree with several points brought fourth, but it is quite obvious that the dedication displayed by the select guilds who are not on Bleeding Hollow, have sparked weekly premades where as before there were no premades at all.

-Yes, It has taken a long time for TC and WT to schedule a formal premade, as it should have, but I feel overall the bracket at this point would benefit much more in an overall goodness sense of things if we saw more diverse guilds that are formally committed to each other in the direction of constructing and reinforcing healthy competition and growth for not only the guilds themselves, but also for the bracket as a whole.
 
Tombrady said:
everyone on one server is the best thing for the bracket

the amount of premades i did combined in the vengeance/cyclone was easily less than what i did on the ptr. the numerous guilds across servers made for good drama and forum content but it had nothing to do with the quality of games.

best 19 action ever was on the PTR because everyone was consolidated on one server and premade lvl games could be played with little to no prep. the ego and fear shit that used to get into the way of premades (dont know if still does) was pretty much a non-factor because it was a blend of so many guilds/servers. ideally you would just have a mega guild for each faction on BH, but having a bunch of individual guilds on there would be the next best thing.

wargames/no more skirmishes makes it even more obvious that one mega server is the best for the bracket
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I miss Tompopper and Kidneypopper. Please come back. <3
 
Premades constitute a small fraction of a percent of bracket activity - it is the pugs, day in and day out, that provide continuity and the foundation upon which this bracket is based. This does not necessitate being on the same server, especially with realid groups being able to queue up together from separate servers. The only solid argument for a mega-server is wargames, and I'd be shocked if more than even a small portion of the community on Bleeding Hollow does those.

In short, server location is pretty irrelevant.
 
Mochabad said:
-There was a huge difference between old school PTR and what Bleeding Hollow is now.

-Calling it the "Best thing for the bracket" is a pretty serious statement and would require knowledge that no one posses. We can only guess as to what the best course of action may be, but labeling this off the cuff as being the "Best thing for the bracket" is not, in my opinion, the most easily backed up statement.

-Having 1 super guild per faction results in numerous players who do not get to see a premade. Only 10 players contribute per faction.

-I do agree with several points brought fourth, but it is quite obvious that the dedication displayed by the select guilds who are not on Bleeding Hollow, have sparked weekly premades where as before there were no premades at all.

-Yes, It has taken a long time for TC and WT to schedule a formal premade, as it should have, but I feel overall the bracket at this point would benefit much more in an overall goodness sense of things if we saw more diverse guilds that are formally committed to each other in the direction of constructing and reinforcing healthy competition and growth for not only the guilds themselves, but also for the bracket as a whole.
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stuck in 06 for lyfe
 
Dorigon said:
Premades constitute a small fraction of a percent of bracket activity - it is the pugs, day in and day out, that provide continuity and the foundation upon which this bracket is based. This does not necessitate being on the same server, especially with realid groups being able to queue up together from separate servers. The only solid argument for a mega-server is wargames, and I'd be shocked if more than even a small portion of the community on Bleeding Hollow does those.

In short, server location is pretty irrelevant.
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wargames happen a lot u just dont realise on your puny warlock
 
Dorigon said:
Premades constitute a small fraction of a percent of bracket activity - it is the pugs, day in and day out, that provide continuity and the foundation upon which this bracket is based. This does not necessitate being on the same server, especially with realid groups being able to queue up together from separate servers. The only solid argument for a mega-server is wargames, and I'd be shocked if more than even a small portion of the community on Bleeding Hollow does those.

In short, server location is pretty irrelevant.
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QFT

Too often the importance of premades is way over hyped. More often than not, scheduled premades never happen, leading to accusations of dodging, more trash talking, etc.

PUGs occur 1000 times more often than premades. Dori said it best, "pugs...provide the continuity and the foundation upon which this bracket is based."
 
Some people just started some twinks on my server. Dueling out front of org has gotten a few people to dust off their old twinks or start new ones. Unfortunately, they want to move to bleeding hollow shortly thereafter.
 
augiddin said:
stuck in 06 for lyfe
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Every single post you make is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand in this thread. Don't do it again please.


Anyways, I do agree heavily that pugs are very important. You can't have a premade if no one has practiced before. But if we were to pretend that premades we not the ideal focus and purpose of most to even roll twinks, (compare it to RBGs), I feel the density of the bracket and those who contribute the most towards the competitiveness and wellbeing of the bracket are the all-star premader's, not the random pugs that perhaps queue for a few months before leveling out.

It is quite rare to join a pug of full 20/20 twinks. That being said, it is extremely common to encounter some under geared random pugs who have not acquired the knowledge of how to appropriately contribute to pugs, in respects to their gear and their skill levels.

If we were to consider bettering the random pugs that we see every day, thus improving the bracket as a whole since pugs "provide continuity and the foundation upon which this bracket is based", a point someone could make would be:
Would puggers better their own commitment to the bracket and skill level if they perhaps had role models on their own server?​

The answer to that question is "Yes."

Just some food for thought ^.^

~~Møçhâ~~
 
Mochabad said:
Anyways, I do agree heavily that pugs are very important. You can't have a premade if no one has practiced before. But if we were to pretend that premades we not the ideal focus and purpose of most to even roll twinks, (compare it to RBGs), I feel the density of the bracket and those who contribute the most towards the competitiveness and wellbeing of the bracket are the all-star premader's, not the random pugs that perhaps queue for a few months before leveling out.

~~Møçhâ~~
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I would contend that it is NOT the ideal purpose of most to even roll twinks. If you think that the average 19er gives a shit what the final score of WT vs MGC was, or whether TC vs LSS even happened, you've got another think coming. The amount of people who actively participate in guild premades, compared to the number of people who play 19s, is miniscule. Realid does allow people on separate servers to group up for 'realid premades', but I would contend that it isn't quite the same.

This bracket is built on the backs of the Theetwinks, Minitonkas, and Dunceders of the world. In other words, the vast majority of players, and they be of all levels of gear and skill, that play the bracket for pug purposes.
 
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