Chops
Soccer Dad
you know how i know you didnt click the link?
Should I keep over TW weapon?
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BudLightning
Member
ITT: Some people need a little extra hand holding
chairbaby
Member
maybe if you linked anything worth clicking, I would, such as these "same posts" that get posted 3-4 times a day or any other guide with this information, but good day, have fun protecting these forums brother!
chairbaby
Member
Yea, some people do, thats good that you dont!
Rahn
Member
This thread does continue to be amusing because the three year old thread is out of date to begin with, since it refers to https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare which has a % based movement speed increase, where as retail currently uses https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare which has a +speed increase.
Which makes that thread misleading as to one of it's premises when it comes to the present day. The thing with both that thread and Beti's is that the classic minor speed enchant isn't necessarily the go to enchant in all cases. Since Rivendare's sword was changed, level 11 warriors are free to use whatever boot enchant they want if they don't use the 2% speed on cloaks; because they're not going to taking Fast Footwork over War Machine.
And honestly considering how limited (and frankly out of date) the movement speed information is, and how long it took anyone to point to an outdated thread on the subject; the people here continuing to hammer on "Find an old thread" point are kinda petty. I certainly appreciate the people finally gathering some info on the subject though, gives me some hope past the cynical types who care about how the front page looks over being able to get up to date information easily.
Which makes that thread misleading as to one of it's premises when it comes to the present day. The thing with both that thread and Beti's is that the classic minor speed enchant isn't necessarily the go to enchant in all cases. Since Rivendare's sword was changed, level 11 warriors are free to use whatever boot enchant they want if they don't use the 2% speed on cloaks; because they're not going to taking Fast Footwork over War Machine.
And honestly considering how limited (and frankly out of date) the movement speed information is, and how long it took anyone to point to an outdated thread on the subject; the people here continuing to hammer on "Find an old thread" point are kinda petty. I certainly appreciate the people finally gathering some info on the subject though, gives me some hope past the cynical types who care about how the front page looks over being able to get up to date information easily.
Chops
Soccer Dad
the guide you're looking for is basic math. Like I dont know how else to explain to you that there's not a specific guide for "how many procs do i need to replace a SL gem" because its literally just 2nd grade math. Its looking at your character sheet, going "oh, each SL gem gives me like 11 speed rating. Guess I'd need 11 total speed from procs to replace a gem. I got 3 from this weapon, guess I need 8 more". Thats just math, man.
If you need that spelled out in a guide, Im shocked you can walk and breathe at the same time. This isnt even about being new and getting picked on over some arcane forum faux pas by a churlish elder. Its you being too lazy and incurious to even open your character sheet to look at your stats and blaming somebody else for not writing a guide on how to do that.
I guess secondary to the "please look through threads before posting new ones" thing isnt necessarily that old threads have all the most correct and up-to-date information but that these threads will help teach you how to think about your toon (and its also just good forum etiquette). Knowing *how* to think about your toon, how stats works, how they affect other stats, etc isnt something anyone just knows. It's learned, over time, by reading and experimenting and reading about other people experimenting. It means actually being curious and thoughtful and respecting the time and effort of others in this community enough to read what they write.
If you think its too hard to find information, you are cordially invited to write up any kind of guide you like, or even consolidate guides into a "thread of useful guides" and staff here will happily pin it to the top of the 10s forum. You seem to have a great grasp on movement speed for 10s/11s. Thatd be useful! I'll even volunteer to help you craft the thread, I've done a very similar one myself that (gonna pat myself on the back here) was incredibly useful and well received. That said, I know Betis guide is thoroughly comprehensive and people dont even read that. I'm not sure how much easier you can make information to find and people are still gonna gripe that you didnt explain basic addition in your twinking guide
Rahn
Member
*I* made an attempt to search for the information his behalf. Didn't find it.
Someone else made an attempt to find the information. They turned up an ancient out of date thread, which wouldn't have helped cause the information wasn't there either.
Ragging on him going "Duuuurrr use the search tool" when the information didn't exist? Classy.
Ragging on him being "Do the math" when he didn't have a firm grasp on what the speed rating was doing? Again, classy.
The OP was on the right track to begin with, that he can drop a SL gem because 49% is the cap and recognized that the +speed proc was being wasted. He demonstrated that he knew *something* already, but you treat him as a braindead person who put in zero effort. The problem was he didn't actually know what the rating cap was, and everyone keeps talking about percentages. I don't know how much %speed 3 speed rating is, and based on the old thread +3 speed at 0 speed rating is a different than +3 speed at 70 rating anyways. So the useful information of "You need 76 speed rating to hit cap" did not exist on this forum until I actually posted to the effect, and you people would continue to do the whole "Look for the relevant thread" without anyone actually linking to the relevant thread... because that thread doesn't appear to exist does it? I mean sure it's funny in a way, but is this really the kind of outcome you're aiming for?
If this is all "Do your own research" then why on earth does this place even exist to begin with? Especially when you ask a question and the default response is "Google it". At that point this place might as well be read-only.
I for one appreciate all of the guides that exist here, but know what? A lot of them are a PAIN to find, even when I've stumbled across them once and know they exist. What you're all doing is when someone asks a question you point them towards a library and go "The answer is in there." And when you get to said library and go to the information booth, you're met with another person going "Look for it yourself, the shelves are clearly labeled" Which we know isn't the case cause if you go to the "Guides" forum (where you'd think you'd find useful information), the top stickied guide is a fishing guide from 2013!
Seriously the more I dig into this mess, the more I realize that it's a miracle that anyone can find anything at all considering how the forums are laid out and how unhelpful people are being. It's of little wonder why people default to Beti's guide as the main twinking reference, cause getting information out of here certainly isn't fun.
Someone else made an attempt to find the information. They turned up an ancient out of date thread, which wouldn't have helped cause the information wasn't there either.
Ragging on him going "Duuuurrr use the search tool" when the information didn't exist? Classy.
Ragging on him being "Do the math" when he didn't have a firm grasp on what the speed rating was doing? Again, classy.
The OP was on the right track to begin with, that he can drop a SL gem because 49% is the cap and recognized that the +speed proc was being wasted. He demonstrated that he knew *something* already, but you treat him as a braindead person who put in zero effort. The problem was he didn't actually know what the rating cap was, and everyone keeps talking about percentages. I don't know how much %speed 3 speed rating is, and based on the old thread +3 speed at 0 speed rating is a different than +3 speed at 70 rating anyways. So the useful information of "You need 76 speed rating to hit cap" did not exist on this forum until I actually posted to the effect, and you people would continue to do the whole "Look for the relevant thread" without anyone actually linking to the relevant thread... because that thread doesn't appear to exist does it? I mean sure it's funny in a way, but is this really the kind of outcome you're aiming for?
If this is all "Do your own research" then why on earth does this place even exist to begin with? Especially when you ask a question and the default response is "Google it". At that point this place might as well be read-only.
I for one appreciate all of the guides that exist here, but know what? A lot of them are a PAIN to find, even when I've stumbled across them once and know they exist. What you're all doing is when someone asks a question you point them towards a library and go "The answer is in there." And when you get to said library and go to the information booth, you're met with another person going "Look for it yourself, the shelves are clearly labeled" Which we know isn't the case cause if you go to the "Guides" forum (where you'd think you'd find useful information), the top stickied guide is a fishing guide from 2013!
Seriously the more I dig into this mess, the more I realize that it's a miracle that anyone can find anything at all considering how the forums are laid out and how unhelpful people are being. It's of little wonder why people default to Beti's guide as the main twinking reference, cause getting information out of here certainly isn't fun.
BoatsAndHoes
Member
I for one cannot believe you guys are being absolutely forced to click on things that do not interest you.
I would call law enforcement and take action against the person who is forcing you to click on the thread.
I have PTSD just from seeing it pop up.
Someone help me.
I would call law enforcement and take action against the person who is forcing you to click on the thread.
I have PTSD just from seeing it pop up.
Someone help me.
BoatsAndHoes
Member
Chops
Soccer Dad
You don't care enough to make a basic effort to open your character pane and take a piece of gear off to see how much stat a gem gives, but you'll come whine at people for not explicitly telling you exactly how much stat you need? Classy.
It would be awesome if they did! But clearly people will read it but not actually read it. That's the problem with this whole thread. A dude claims to have read a guide they either didn't actually read or refused to apply the information they learned to their character with 5 seconds of thought.
If people actually read it, most of these redundant threads wouldn't exist
I'd actually very much like to help people! But apparently asking people to make a bare minimum effort to learn about their toons makes me a meanyhead
Rahn
Member
No one was going to explicitly tell him anything cause it seems like none of you knew the answer in the first place, and none of you actually bothered to do the work. *I* ended up doing that work. You know, the kinda work that you people in theory have been doing in this place for years that supposedly all of you know off the top of your head? I would think the seasoned veterans of this place would be a bit more helpful.
I mean what's being proved here? All that needed to be done was "I need info", "Here's a link", "Thanks" the end.
Or heaven forbid "I need info", "I don't know, I'll try to find out."
Instead it's been "I need info.", *insert sarcastic non-helpful response*, "I tried, I wasn't able to find it", "lulz, either you're lazy or dumb."
What's more damning is that even if you knew, the implication is you would refuse to do so; why? Because they didn't prove their worth? For my part I don't like being that cynical. If you're going to be helpful, be helpful; don't say your past self would have been in retrospect given a different condition.
Chops
Soccer Dad
This might be the disconnect
I don't know this stuff off the top of my head. I doubt many people do. I'd have to look it up. I'd have to log into the game, hop on a toon, check stat values, search up some threads, double check myself...
And if that's gotta be done, it should be done by the person with the question first. I'm just doing the basic stuff. There's nothing fancy. It's literally step one of "wonder how this works"
Nobody is withholding information and in this particular instance all the information was provided! It's not that secrets are being kept, it's that the information is being presented and people are refusing to look at it.