Should I keep over TW weapon?

[chairbaby]

I'm kind of new to this and got lucky (?) on this weapon...im already 49% speed, does this stack with the max speed? Or should i remove one of my SL gems for speed and replace it w a str/haste gem? Or am i stupid and is this weapon speed? lol, thanks for the help

( If i remove SL gem and replace the gem it changes my speed to 47% w the wep)

 

[Chops]

so you equip hatebringer and doing so lowers your dps AND your movement speed and you're asking if its a good replacement?

 

[chairbaby]

so you equip hatebringer and doing so lowers your dps AND your movement speed and you're asking if its a good replacement?

It doesnt lower my movement speed? I have +3 speed on the weapon, I am simply asking if using this specific one WITH the proc, is better than TW still? As TW in general is better than hatebringer w no proc. Im assuming not since im already max speed (49%) and im assuming the SPEED PROC, doesnt stack with my already max movement speed?

Im assuming its not worth it, since I would have to remove a SL gem to get use out of the +3 speed if it doesnt stack with max speed already, and in which case would put me at 47% instead of 49%

again, im new to this, trying to learn, dont wanna help? dont comment

 

[Vaesin]

I'm kind of new to this and got lucky (?) on this weapon...im already 49% speed, does this stack with the max speed? Or should i remove one of my SL gems for speed and replace it w a str/haste gem? Or am i stupid and is this weapon speed? lol, thanks for the help

( If i remove SL gem and replace the gem it changes my speed to 47% w the wep)

The 49% is a hard cap for +Speed bonuses (and might be an even harder cap when 11.1 hits). The +3 Speed won't help if you're already at 49%.

If you get other +Speed gear, they can all add up, allowing you to drop a Shadowlands gem and stay at 49% though.

 

[Rahn]

If you do use it, make sure to use it in the off-hand.
The main-hand cares a lot about the weapon damage.

That said in the off-hand it's roughly as powerful as a TWing weapon. In the event TWing gear gets nerfed, it will likely be the best option for the OH; and a decent chance it might be a MH weapon again.

 

[chairbaby]

The 49% is a hard cap for +Speed bonuses (and might be an even harder cap when 11.1 hits). The +3 Speed won't help if you're already at 49%.

If you get other +Speed gear, they can all add up, allowing you to drop a Shadowlands gem and stay at 49% though.

Thank you for this Answered my question!

 

[chairbaby]

If you do use it, make sure to use it in the off-hand.
The main-hand cares a lot about the weapon damage.

That said in the off-hand it's roughly as powerful as a TWing weapon. In the event TWing gear gets nerfed, it will likely be the best option for the OH; and a decent chance it might be a MH weapon again.

Cool! Ill keep it in the bank once I get another TW weapon and replace it if needed once the nerfs happen! Or if i get more speed gear to stack onto it like the other person said!

 

[toskosa]

The twing ones will do more damage thanks to being a higher ilvl, you should keep the hatebringer though just in case the twing weapons get nerfed.

 

[chairbaby]

The twing ones will do more damage thanks to being a higher ilvl, you should keep the hatebringer though just in case the twing weapons get nerfed.

So basically speed proc on that weapon is useless unless i stack more speed items? or like you said, if they end up getting nerfed?

 

[Chops]

dont wanna help? dont comment

i do want to help. i want to help keep the forums readable and useable and every morning i wake up to the same 3 new threads from people who cant/wont read existing threads and guides that have the answers theyre looking for already in them

 

[chairbaby]

i do want to help. i want to help keep the forums readable and useable and every morning i wake up to the same 3 new threads from people who cant/wont read existing threads and guides that have the answers theyre looking for already in them

The Beti guide doesnt mention how the speed procs work, just mentions 49% is the max, and I was curious if that was true with procs or not and how the procs work with the SL speed gems, if you can link me a detailed guide with that info ill be more than glad to read it.

I actually havent found much information about the stat procs outside of asking in other posts myself either.

Im also new to these forums, I have looked around a bit and have found some answers regarding weapons, such as https://xpoff.com/threads/dps-compa...-weapons-as-an-11-warrior-2nd-attempt.100633/ and the BiS gear lists, but nothing that really talks about the speed procs, just now i learned you need more than one speed proc item to make a difference, but also is there a pinned section im missing with these obvious answers? That would be ideal instead of scrolling through 20 pages to get to my one question

But you could've also just linked any guide or post w/ this info and told me to go read it, and I would have done so, instead of being smart

 

[Rahn]

The funny thing about movement speed is the information is scattered all over the place, and some of it could use some clarification and condensation.

For example +speed maxes out at 49%, but the specific rating isn't really listed anywhere for the common twink levels. I know for level 11 it's 76 rating (75 will display 49% but it's rounding up), and that's a useful number to know when seeing how close you are to dropping a SL gem or not.

Additionally the classic movement boot speed enchant is the only one that stacks with other passive movement speed buffs (like the +2% on cloaks), but there's no point in using that enchant if you don't use the +2% cloak enchant (preferring to use +main stat), or don't have any class based movement speed buffs. This area is kind of muddy because the information (from what I see) isn't really out there. As an example the movement speed bonus of the warrior's War Machine doesn't care what boot speed enchant you use, but the Druid's Dash does.

 

[chairbaby]

The funny thing about movement speed is the information is scattered all over the place, and some of it could use some clarification and condensation.

For example +speed maxes out at 49%, but the specific rating isn't really listed anywhere for the common twink levels. I know for level 11 it's 76 rating (75 will display 49% but it's rounding up), and that's a useful number to know when seeing how close you are to dropping a SL gem or not.

Additionally the classic movement boot speed enchant is the only one that stacks with other passive movement speed buffs (like the +2% on cloaks), but there's no point in using that enchant if you don't use the +2% cloak enchant (preferring to use +main stat), or don't have any class based movement speed buffs. This area is kind of muddy because the information (from what I see) isn't really out there. As an example the movement speed bonus of the warrior's War Machine doesn't care what boot speed enchant you use, but the Druid's Dash does.

Exactly why i asked the dude above to link me anything with the correct and updated information, and I will gladly learn it.

Also as for some who is new, a lot of the information is information overload since there's a lot to learn and information to catch up on, but if you have any resources outside of the Beti guide that have this information, pls link

And how much rating before I switch SL gems? Im at 82 rating now, got another TW weapon and switched out the hatebringer, with that weapon w/ speed proc im at 85

 

[Chops]

But you could've also just linked any guide or post w/ this info and told me to go read it

Why? You clearly know these things exist. I can say "read the guides" but you claim to have done that already. And yet...

The Beti guide doesnt mention how the speed procs work, just mentions 49% is the max, and I was curious if that was true with procs or not

it very clearly and concisely states that Speed Rating is a tertiary stat that has a 49% cap. It could not be clearer.

Do you perhaps not know what the tertiary stats are? Sure. Fine. Thats fair, not everyone knows this stuff. Here you go

Also as for some who is new, a lot of the information is information overload

The funny thing about movement speed is the information is scattered all over the place

I wonder why this is. Could it be that we've had 6 months of new twinks popping in and flooding the forums with "hey I've read Betis guide but [asks question clearly answered in betis guide]" threads?

Yea man, looking at a forum packed with threads, all seemingly indicating that the guide you just read may actually not be right? or have all the info? Because people are asking questions that youre pretty sure you just read the answer to but I guess not because then why are people asking?

That'll short circuit any new players brain, I get it. So maybe you just decide "fuck it, I'll just start a new thread for my specific situation" which just leads to further scattering of information and well, here we are.

 

[wackytabaccy]

I vote we throw all new posts that can already be answered in pervious threads straight in the trash.

 

[chairbaby]

Why? You clearly know these things exist. I can say "read the guides" but you claim to have done that already. And yet...

it very clearly and concisely states that Speed Rating is a tertiary stat that has a 49% cap. It could not be clearer.

Do you perhaps not know what the tertiary stats are? Sure. Fine. Thats fair, not everyone knows this stuff. Here you go

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I wonder why this is. Could it be that we've had 6 months of new twinks popping in and flooding the forums with "hey I've read Betis guide but [asks question clearly answered in betis guide]" threads?

Yea man, looking at a forum packed with threads, all seemingly indicating that the guide you just read may actually not be right? or have all the info? Because people are asking questions that youre pretty sure you just read the answer to but I guess not because then why are people asking?

That'll short circuit any new players brain, I get it. So maybe you just decide "fuck it, I'll just start a new thread for my specific situation" which just leads to further scattering of information and well, here we are.

I understand how tert stats work, I'm more specifically asking about with SL gems, and when to switch when I get x amount of rating...That information is not on Beti's guide, and if it is, please inform me. I understand the cap is 49%, but when do I switch those gems for other gems? And again, I did read threads, and guides, but havent found anything with this specific information, or haven't found it I guess?

And I do agree with what you are saying as well, and I understand how it can be frustrating, I actually made my first post about something obvious that is in the guide and has been posted about before, but I found the information after I posted, and corrected my post saying I found it (should have probably deleted but oh well) I get how thats annoying, especially as someone who has been on the forums longer than me, but thats why I also asked if there was a pinned thread option that has this information from these popular posts pinned? Or a pinned thread that has a list of a lot of the popular guides? I guess not since I havent found anything like that, but that would be very helpful especially for someone not only new to twinking, but new to here.

And yes, the specific attention is nice, way better than trying to navigate through a bunch of different places, which is why I also asked if you did have any other guide other than Beti's guide that has more detailed information about what im asking, then maybe the next level 11 fury twink who has the same question will see this thread and see that comment with the more detailed guide, or maybe someone could make one thread with the links to these common question answers or to guides that answer them (outside of Beti's) but what do I know *shrug*

 

[chairbaby]

I vote we throw all new posts that can already be answered in pervious threads straight in the trash.

Link one thread in the past 5-10 pages of this forum that answer my question about SL gems and speed procs, and I will agree.

 

[Rahn]

Personally I find it interesting that this thread has basically devolved into "Don't talk to me, Google it."

 

[wackytabaccy]

Folks have made in depth threads about stat caps, procs, best weapons gear sets ect. There is an encylopedia britanica of information on this site and if people don't want to use it that's cool.

 

[Rahn]

Honestly it's like the people who frequent this forum have never actually tried navigating themselves from the perspective of someone who's never been on this site before.

As an example most people are learning about level 10-11 twinks, and get told about this site. The first thing they see is 'latest posts' which isn't helpful. So they click on "forums" what do they see there? Maybe you go to General Information since it's near the top. Nope that's no help.

Well you hear sockets are important and most sockets are in TBC, how about that forum? There's a bunch of subforums here too, and the lowest is 19s? That can't be right.

Must be TWW forum then. Holy even more subforums, but at least there's a 10s one, that's probably the one I want. There's an armory pinned post, so I guess I have to scan the threads for some info there maybe? Some of the info is useful, but now I'm being told to "search what I'm looking for" and all I get are a bunch of threads saying "search what you're looking for" and now this thread that says "Yeah, because people made a bunch of threads that buried the useful ones."

Then maybe just maybe how this place is setup isn't exactly useful for finding information in the first place?

The punchline of the whole joke? HAH you needed to be in the 20s forum all along!

And that's not even the end of the joke because it turns out after you even find the appropriate thread (despite the sarcastic help of some of the people here) you find out that the information you're looking for is incomplete!