Rogue Stat Optimization Discussion!

[Mocha]

Do I really need to say this. Are you people seriously not aware by now. COPY MY GEAR.

I can not figure out what you're trying to achieve with your outdated set. My 3.3k hp set with full versatility + lucky fishing hat and stam enchants is only a few crit percent lower and had more AP than you do in your glass cannon set. My survivability set is nearly double your health pool to lose roughly 3% of crit and gaining 15 attack power.


I really don't get what you're doing in your set as your crit is far too low to be prioritizing crit, your attack power is far too low to be prioritizing attack power, and you have full versatility (assuming that's what would be on your cloak... IF YOU HAD ONE!!!!!11) but you can easily obtain a set with full versatility, higher attack power and higher crit than you have. You also can also get globaled by nearly any class in the bracket.


You don't have a cloak equipped, you're missing boa neck, and you currently have the wrong version of pvp trinket on your armory.


Either trolling or just trying to feed your own ego despite being outdated, unviable and irrelevant.

 

[Mocha]

what is best rogue weapon enchant? i heard people say mark of thunder,dancing > elemental

People have been trying to say Dancing > EF since both enchants were available at 19.


This has always been false as EF has always contributed 30-40% of a rogue's damage where as dancing procs grant less than 15% bonus damage during their limited proc uptime.

 

[Mocha]

or successfully baiting ppl like u.

We're talking about Curleypwnsu - CURLEY OF THE HORDE!!!!!1111 here. Not just any normal rogue.


Which means, he truly believes 100% that his current wow armory is bis rogue and everyone should gear like him.

 

[marblea]

We're talking about Curleypwnsu - CURLEY OF THE HORDE!!!!!1111 here. Not just any normal rogue.


Which means, he truly believes 100% that his current wow armory is bis rogue and everyone should gear like him.

pretty sure its impossible for curley to not be bis even if he had full whites he'd outgear every rogue in the bracket

 

[Rusks]

I wouldn't personally use this set because you have a horribly low crit % for a rogue at only 22%.


Far too low for my liking.

honestly I find that it doesn't matter when my base ambush is around 900-1k non crit.

Also found out today 1agi>2.7 crit I think the number is. Fancy and I were talking about it earlier, turns out he ran the numbers for agi vs crit and you need 2.7+ crit to = 1 agi

 

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I can not figure out what you're trying to achieve with your outdated set. My 3.3k hp set with full versatility + lucky fishing hat and stam enchants is only a few crit percent lower and had more AP than you do in your glass cannon set. My survivability set is nearly double your health pool to lose roughly 3% of crit and gaining 15 attack power.


I really don't get what you're doing in your set as your crit is far too low to be prioritizing crit, your attack power is far too low to be prioritizing attack power, and you have full versatility (assuming that's what would be on your cloak... IF YOU HAD ONE!!!!!11) but you can easily obtain a set with full versatility, higher attack power and higher crit than you have. You also can also get globaled by nearly any class in the bracket.


You don't have a cloak equipped, you're missing boa neck, and you currently have the wrong version of pvp trinket on your armory.


Either trolling or just trying to feed your own ego despite being outdated, unviable and irrelevant.

can we have Curley vs Mocha best of 3 duels

 

[Rusks]

can we have Curley vs Mocha best of 3 duels

Lol this would be funny

 

[Pacqt]

Would be funny cos theres litteraly 3 spells u can use in an rvr

 

[Mocha]

can we have Curley vs Mocha best of 3 duels

Bro it would just have the same outcome as when he dueled Deadlymidget, Deadlymidget won and Curley probably blamed his lag or something and therefore he still says he's the best.

Edit: I have nothing against Curlex. He's a good cata rogue. It's just frustrating seeing someone with such potential limit himself so much by some ridiculous ego. If he were a cool cat and humble, he'd be one of the most respected twinnkers. But instead he logs off mid Train Cow premade and throws the game. (That last bit was a joke, we all know he dcd)


It's like I want to like him. I really do and before I ever saw him post on forums or heard him fighting with his parents in Skype, or heard him spit mad rhymes in DA's rap battle chan or seen him rage quit upon death, I genuinely liked him. Back in the Curleypwnsyou human rog daiz.

 

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Bro it would just have the same outcome as when he dueled Deadlymidget, Deadlymidget won and Curley probably blamed his lag or something and therefore he still says he's the best.
he is the best until you prove him wrong

 

[Garregish]

Something I have noticed, while leveling a rogue to 100 in mostly pvp is the gear scaling is insane. Until they fix it, from level 10 to 99 you can pretty much pick your best (best = your preferred) gear according to stats. You want just stam and agil.. of the monkey set. Maybe you want high crit %.. so stack crit.

Now here is the kicker... up to level 99 I have noticed that even low level gear is scaling UP. For example a Necklace of the Deeps (agil, stam, 2 red sockets, item level 100) will scale up to match your gear level at 99. I think it ended up with like 78 agility, 128 stamina, and 2 red sockets with Delicate Scarlet Spinnel (+10 agility) which is even better than delicate inferno ruby (+8) or delicate pandaren ruby (+10) *why better than the +10 pandaren ruby? Simple.. you can use the scarlet spinnel with +10 stat at a much lower level.. no item level requirements. )

Anyway... Im currently leveling another sub to at least 85.. maybe 89. Twinking along the way. (doing insane dps in dungeons. lol) and I'm building a "hit n git" build. You know, open with burst, kill target, stealth and away. So I'm looking around and finding a lot of ppl building on versatility. Now most sites say multistrike, but that is bull shit for a sub rogue. To be honest, I don't intend to be out of stealth long enough to proc a multistrike hit. LOL.

Now just to add... something the OP mentioned.. build and play your rogue the way you like to play. Many people say OH you HAVE to use shadow step or Burst of Speed, and you are a FAIL because you use Cloak and Dagger. I'm sure a lot of rogues may agree with them. However I am also sure those hunters I lay to rest in arena matches would strongly disagree. The reason isn't that CnD is op...reason is I've been playing that build for a long time. I am used to it. So regardless of what other "leets" seem to think from what they read on noxxic or icy-veins... the build you like to play is best.

 

[Curley]

Bro it would just have the same outcome as when he dueled Deadlymidget, Deadlymidget won and Curley probably blamed his lag or something and therefore he still says he's the best.

Edit: I have nothing against Curlex. He's a good cata rogue. It's just frustrating seeing someone with such potential limit himself so much by some ridiculous ego. If he were a cool cat and humble, he'd be one of the most respected twinnkers. But instead he logs off mid Train Cow premade and throws the game. (That last bit was a joke, we all know he dcd)


It's like I want to like him. I really do and before I ever saw him post on forums or heard him fighting with his parents in Skype, or heard him spit mad rhymes in DA's rap battle chan or seen him rage quit upon death, I genuinely liked him. Back in the Curleypwnsyou human rog daiz.

can you please have your brain checked nothing you have said is remotely true besides the good cata rogue i was great...

 

[Skeezin]

mocha firing more rounds than a heavy aa gun

rude

 

[bigmoran]

Bigmoranx @ Bleeding Hollow - Community - World of Warcraft

My gear sux lol.

On a similar note, someone should hook me up with a Shadowfang on BH

 

[Yapah]

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/Sapah/advanced

This is the setup I use. Landslide is 1 RPPM (can be increased with slice and dice and haste) and it gives 75 AP (112.5 for combat). Landslide can proc on ambush, so with this setup I ambush 1.5k-1.6k (if landslide procs on ambush) or 1k-1.1k if it doesnt. I use ele force on off hand because landslide can't proc on ambush if it's on off hand. Since the PPM is quite low I prefer to use ele force on off hand to add on a bit of extra damage.

I do have a 2nd Shadowfang with ele force and 2nd Shadowfang with landslide but I find Landslide MH ele force OH to be doing quite well for me.

When I do use double landslide I find that it rarely double procs, but when it does it is 225 attack power which DOUBLES my sinister strikes and ambushes.

I haven't done any testing so idk if its BiS but I really enjoy the big ambushes

 

[Recluse]

Combat is producing the largest ambush and burst dps for rogues right now, without question. Sustained dps is also greater if slice and dice is kept active. MH dancing steel is giving about 50 AP right now with combat agi scaling. This is far better than landslide or berserking, dancing steel is always up compared to the latter. OH ele force is required. Haste > crit for combat rogues, versatility is a must, stamina should be kept above 3k (imo), agility is top priority.

If you want to see a BiS veterans combat rogue, I think I have it. Some items are out of the game, but still obtainable through the AH.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/malganis/Recluse/simple

 

[Recluse]

nice 19 rogue advice mate

Aw, dammit! Happens to me far to often!

 

[Recluse]

Much of the gear for a 19 twink would be the same for 20 or 29 tho. I only have 2 lvl 20 pieces on my character!

 

[Yapah]

Combat is producing the largest ambush and burst dps for rogues right now, without question. Sustained dps is also greater if slice and dice is kept active. MH dancing steel is giving about 50 AP right now with combat agi scaling. This is far better than landslide or berserking, dancing steel is always up compared to the latter. OH ele force is required. Haste > crit for combat rogues, versatility is a must, stamina should be kept above 3k (imo), agility is top priority.

If you want to see a BiS veterans combat rogue, I think I have it. Some items are out of the game, but still obtainable through the AH.

Recluse @ Mal'Ganis - Community - World of Warcraft

You do realize Dancing Steel is 18 agility at 19 (which is 27 AP for combat rogue)

Landslide has a lower proc rate but its 75 AP (112.5 AP for combat) that is over 4x more AP

 

[Rusks]

You do realize Dancing Steel is 18 agility at 19 (which is 27 AP for combat rogue)

Landslide has a lower proc rate but its 75 AP (112.5 AP for combat) that is over 4x more AP

Tested DS today and have had landslide. Since 19 rogues have almost no way to stay on a target i feel EF is better