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ok my first bg as ret and it seemed like it was fair damage with verry strong off heals and really good utility but really hard to get any kb's, maybe have to save up some holy powers till there low
also i would recomend you put alot of hit on because missing the stun is such a game changer in a fight
 

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I played a ret pally long ago in a different bracket that's similar to F2P. They're pretty decent if you know how to play, and the heals you get in the long run make you outlast arms warriors.

Some say you should stack crit, but the thing is, since rets and arms play so similarly, I can give you experience now from a F2P arms warrior on BWL. Crit is nice, but don't stack it. 20% crit isn't worth relying on since your damage will be lower than usual and you pretty much have a 2/10 chance to crit. You arguably get more DPS in general from just using the typical build, and you'll already have enough crit to sustain you.

Not BiS yet (Nearly BiS though excluding Foreman's and weapon/trinkets), but try to copy this. Bellybutton @ Blackwing Lair - Community - World of Warcraft, my arms warrior.

Welcome to BWL, Blackwing pride! Hope to see you around on the server, and I'd hate to see you competing with me for Foreman's. T_T
 
Yeah perfect Screen shot getting out dpsed by a 20 mage thats Sad and no KBs thats a waste of Toon. And you lost the bg if you where prot and could cc that mage and maybe hit her for 1k damage instantly you probably would have won. Not to mention you would also have extra stamina. More utility Ret pallys are a waste.
# Don't go ret btw you do more damage in prot. There used to be a reason to go ret because it had some sort of burst but now its useless.
 
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hucklberry said:
urm that is one of the top EU f2p mages and ofc she out damaged me i have no looms atall and she is bis
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Protip: /ignore Thepriesto. They're just a troll. No respectable person would 1) play OP classes at 24. 2) Say that someone is useless in the same comment that they make dmg and KBs seem like THE metric of usefulness. 3) Demonstrate they're either totally new, or completely ignorant by thinking that getting out-dps'd by a mage is only the mark of a useless player, or that uncommon. And on and on and on.

Learn to spot the trolls, and don't feed them. You don't need DMG, and certainly don't need KBs to be useful. You don't need DMG or KBs to be awesome. And most importantly, you don't need DMG or KBs to HAVE FUN. :D

The point is: Do yo thang! :D Play whatever class/spec you like. Have fun and be useful in all the different ways you can. Don't let a six or seven stat scoreboard (or a troll) fool you into thinking that those are the only important metrics. Enjoy your class/spec, that is the single greatest indicator/contributor to how well you'll perform; not BoA's or stats, or racials or mechanics. Any deficit you may encounter from them CAN be mitigated/overcome, you just have to want to overcome them. And the only way to do that, to find the motivation to overcome them, is to find out how you can have fun with a toon.

So Ret on! Do yo thang! Haters gon hate. Give them the /pat they earned and eventually when you've mastered it, beat them with the very underdog spec they dumped on you for choosing. Play on playa! And welcome to BWL :D
 
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Thepriesto said:
Yeah perfect Screen shot getting out dpsed by a 20 mage thats Sad and no KBs thats a waste of Toon. And you lost the bg if you where prot and could cc that mage and maybe hit her for 1k damage instantly you probably would have won. Not to mention you would also have extra stamina. More utility Ret pallys are a waste.
# Don't go ret btw you do more damage in prot. There used to be a reason to go ret because it had some sort of burst but now its useless.
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Dunno if you noticed champ, were not talking about respeccing now, rather when 5.3 drops and rets get a buff(To test it out). Why are you even posting in this section anyway. What insight could a 24 possibly give to a trial twink. We are playing two different games.
 
We are playing the same game and IF a ret pally a 24 can't down anything solo its horrible. Heres the logic... If a ret pally with crusader and Bis Enchants still does less damage than a 20 f2p prot paladin how are you gona tell me a 20 non enchanted weapon with no boas is even fairly viable. Don't worry I will wait. I want some one in this thread with-out their head so far up their ass... to tell me the utility of a ret pally over another holy pally or a prot pally??? What could make anyone to play ret pally? It doesn't help your team unless u literally off heal ever 3 seconds. Why with the burst needed at the moment.... it doesn't seem worth it.
 
Thepriesto said:
We are playing the same game and IF a ret pally a 24 can't down anything solo its horrible. Heres the logic... If a ret pally with crusader and Bis Enchants still does less damage than a 20 f2p prot paladin how are you gona tell me a 20 non enchanted weapon with no boas is even fairly viable. Don't worry I will wait. I want some one in this thread with-out their head so far up their ass... to tell me the utility of a ret pally over another holy pally or a prot pally??? What could make anyone to play ret pally? It doesn't help your team unless u literally off heal ever 3 seconds. Why with the burst needed at the moment.... it doesn't seem worth it.
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this may sound crazy but... some people play an UNDER-powered spec to have this thing called FUN
 
Thepriesto said:
We are playing the same game and IF a ret pally a 24 can't down anything solo its horrible. Heres the logic... If a ret pally with crusader and Bis Enchants still does less damage than a 20 f2p prot paladin how are you gona tell me a 20 non enchanted weapon with no boas is even fairly viable. Don't worry I will wait. I want some one in this thread with-out their head so far up their ass... to tell me the utility of a ret pally over another holy pally or a prot pally??? What could make anyone to play ret pally? It doesn't help your team unless u literally off heal ever 3 seconds. Why with the burst needed at the moment.... it doesn't seem worth it.
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Trolls be trolling
Hatters be hating
Naysayers be naysaying
Killjoys be killjoying
And the people who want to have fun their way don't give a shit.

It's the BWL trend to play underplayed/underpowered or just plain balanced classes and specs.
Get with the times <3
 
Thepriesto said:
We are playing the same game and IF a ret pally a 24 can't down anything solo its horrible. Heres the logic... If a ret pally with crusader and Bis Enchants still does less damage than a 20 f2p prot paladin how are you gona tell me a 20 non enchanted weapon with no boas is even fairly viable. Don't worry I will wait. I want some one in this thread with-out their head so far up their ass... to tell me the utility of a ret pally over another holy pally or a prot pally??? What could make anyone to play ret pally? It doesn't help your team unless u literally off heal ever 3 seconds. Why with the burst needed at the moment.... it doesn't seem worth it.
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No, not quite. If the 20-24 bracket were a raid, the trials would be playing on heroic, and the 24's would be in LFR,. Heres an example, a typical strategy for a lvl 20 trial would be to group up together, cc and burst down another player. The 24 strategy would be to lay your face on the keys, and begin rolling it back and forth until you have won the bg. No one here has said its going to be the GO TO SPEC. Were just speculating on the buff thats coming in 5.3 for rets. In all honesty, ill probably stick with my prot if only because of the aoe silence. However if ret feels powerful enough, ill play around with it. Personally, i love playing my lvl 90 ret, and it would be nice to see them be useful in the trial bracket. More diversity would be great imo. I hated cata because there was very little, and if you tried to go outside the box you were shit on by less skilled players, who most likely either played a 24 or had a skillpatch and back peddled.
 
If this 24 crutchtard keeps trolling this thread can a mod please ban him, at least temporarily? Or somehow make it they can't post in THIS thread, or better yet, this sub-forum.

Honestly if you need to be OP to have fun you shouldn't be playing WoW PvP. Go do some PvE in green difficulty dungeons if you need to feel better about yourself. Maybe go play a campaign on a first person console game.


I'll definitely be trying out ret once I get boa 2h.
 
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To put the buff into perspective, during Cat, ret had a 25% 2H bonus. It went down to 20% for MoP and is currently at 15%. During Cat, ret hit incredibly hard. Now it's going up to 30%. Also, the BoA axe scales to 24. Of course everyone has more HP and 40% resilience, but BoA resilience will be less effective. We'd need to confirm live numbers, but it might make ret viable again, or at the very least, not completely useless.

The only problem is, no more exo, so the only ranged ret has is judgement. Also, you can only use TV with 3 HP. It's not going to be as good as Cat, but it will at least be an improvement. It's ridiculous that the only DPS spec does less DPS than the healing and tank spec at any level.

Hopefully 5.3 will fix the hit issue as well. Again, we have to wait and see what goes live. Also, just to clarify, AS for prot only silences the first target. It is not an AoE silence.
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10/10 would read again because I agree with it completely and I like the facts stated (never played Ret in Cata myself). I heard from (yes, truly) the {Lord of the Trials} that he hit 600+ TVs (idk whether it was meant as hit or crit but I don't expect 1.2k crits) and ~230 baseline Judgement on a 24 priest on the PTR (in a duel). I can't confirm if that's true or not (I'd love to) but it sounds pretty good. If we see 300ish CS crits as well it's gonna be pretty nice and I'm already thinking about rerolling.
 
Fujin0 said:
10/10 would read again because I agree with it completely and I like the facts stated (never played Ret in Cata myself). I heard from (yes, truly) the {Lord of the Trials} that he hit 600+ TVs (idk whether it was meant as hit or crit but I don't expect 1.2k crits) and ~230 baseline Judgement on a 24 priest on the PTR (in a duel). I can't confirm if that's true or not (I'd love to) but it sounds pretty good. If we see 300ish CS crits as well it's gonna be pretty nice and I'm already thinking about rerolling.
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Honestly, those numbers aren't really that exciting. I hope the 15% buff improves that somewhat.

In prot vs clothies I frequently get 650-750 crits per target with Avengers Shield, and Holy Wrath crits on a single target (with noone else around) for ~500. Couple that with the silence, range, and that you don't have to build up HPs for it, it's superior.
 
Aradiel said:
To put the buff into perspective, during Cat, ret had a 25% 2H bonus. It went down to 20% for MoP and is currently at 15%. During Cat, ret hit incredibly hard. Now it's going up to 30%. Also, the BoA axe scales to 24. Of course everyone has more HP and 40% resilience, but BoA resilience will be less effective. We'd need to confirm live numbers, but it might make ret viable again, or at the very least, not completely useless.
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And that's only the 2h passive in cata. During cata, ret also had access to a talent called Crusade, which boosted Crusader Strike and TV damage by an additional sizeable %, making total damage output in cata around that much stronger (stacking multiplicatively) compared to current ret numbers, even taking into account resilience.
If Crusade passive was an additional 30% boost, that meant (1.25)(1.3)=1.625, or 62.5% boost from ret spec for TV and CS, compared to just 30% soon from 2h passive. Those would make ret numbers such that CS was almost equivalent to a Arms warrior's Mortal Strike now, and for TV: 2.35(1.3)=3.055, or 305% or 306% weapon damage, compared to about 275% weapon damage now [all before the 2h passive was applied].

Basically, while the 2h passive boost is a needed buff in 5.3, that wouldn't make up for the loss of the extra % boost from Crusade talent in cata. Was such numbers baked in? I don't see any evidence of the cata Crusade talent existing anywhere.


And yes, such damage boosts stacked/stack multiplicatively the same way that movement speed boosts or snares stack multiplicatively, or why hunter concussive shot is so​ infamous at this level.
 
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I myself play Ret and I find that it is way more fun than prot. However, I've noticed that I can easily carry a team as prot, but can only do so much as ret.
 
Aradiel said:
To put the buff into perspective, during Cat, ret had a 25% 2H bonus. It went down to 20% for MoP and is currently at 15%. During Cat, ret hit incredibly hard. Now it's going up to 30%. Also, the BoA axe scales to 24. Of course everyone has more HP and 40% resilience, but BoA resilience will be less effective. We'd need to confirm live numbers, but it might make ret viable again, or at the very least, not completely useless.

The only problem is, no more exo, so the only ranged ret has is judgement. Also, you can only use TV with 3 HP. It's not going to be as good as Cat, but it will at least be an improvement. It's ridiculous that the only DPS spec does less DPS than the healing and tank spec at any level.

Hopefully 5.3 will fix the hit issue as well. Again, we have to wait and see what goes live. Also, just to clarify, AS for prot only silences the first target. It is not an AoE silence.
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Yes i agree.

But...
I believe when MoP camed out passive was 10%, then it was buffed to 15%.

5.3 buff for ret wont change much, if i had to buff ret... i would give them seal of truth and judgements of the bold at lvl20.
 
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I've been having a great time turret healing and crashing around as ret, limited mana is awesome to work with & I don't feel a responsibility to keep the entire team alive. Plus, Long Arm is the most dynamic and timing-reliant talent, so combined with it being a gap closer I think it's by far the most entertaining thing to use as ret. With successful fakecasts & kiting I can beat geared rogues, and it's also fun to sneak KBs in with a meager application of DPS. I think my sig toon is in ret gear at the moment, if anyone cares how I do things :eek:
 
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