Resurrecting All Brackets

[Franchi]

The gap between boa bg heroes and twinks is small at 19 but the higher the level the larger that gap becomes, at 49 (if not 39) it is a VAST GULF.


The Ques were seperated for a reason, hell just look at 29 failed to pays have NO CHANCE against a similarly skilled 29 in mirror fights even WHEN they have the full failed to pay BiS.

 

[Skeezin]

ayy lmao

lookin over this thread briefly i can see it looks like the only people who want this change is mocha and conq

 

[Allybeboba]

id rather only have pops during vacation than end up farming lvlers in every pug

my 2 cents

Then don't participate in the farmfest. I never do.

Sidney...

 

[Skeezin]

sidney no longer sweet but sour

 

[Allybeboba]

The gap between boa bg heroes and twinks is small at 19 but the higher the level the larger that gap becomes, at 49 (if not 39) it is a VAST GULF.


The Ques were seperated for a reason, hell just look at 29 failed to pays have NO CHANCE against a similarly skilled 29 in mirror fights even WHEN they have the full failed to pay BiS.

The difference here is that trials are choosing to play with the disadvantage of good enchants and lack of higher abilities. ..

I would presume the majority of levelers at this point in the game would have access to most, if not all, BoAs and be capable of some sort of nice enchant to put on them.
Blizzard at the very least should review xp on/off battlegrounds. It has been over five years since, and many many patches since they been incorporated into the game.

/cheers
Sweetsidney...

 

[Mocha]

1 them being unhappy doesnt mean its okay to make them even more unhappy because a few twinks want to farm levelers again

2 ur clearly only talking about ur own bracket and have no idea how the game looks like in higher twink brackets

3 again ur only considering ur own bracket since u seem to ignore the fact that they would just level into another bracket with different twinks

4 and y would that be

if it was a win win win win situation thered not be that many ppl against it

As an experiment before that thread, I made a hunter with normal BOAs and no crazy enchants and leveled to 75 while checking out BGs at every bracket. At 70, 74, and 76 I personally found several 70 twinks and even a few 79 twinks which believe it or not, had no problem destroying both levels. The only issues I've come across so far have been bonus armor stacking twinks.


Edit: it's clear that most "responses" i've seen lately have not even read my recent post in full.

 

[Legacyshockz]

WTB mocha in the EU realms!

 

[Rih]

id rather only have pops during vacation than end up farming lvlers in every pug

my 2 cents

I'm with you, but if Blizzard can keep tinkering with this stat scaling business, then I think we could reach a point where a non twinked level 21 could actually put up a fight against a twinked out 29. Twinks will still have the upper hand, but that's no difference than a level 100 pug with a better team comp or better gear.

 

[Allybeboba]

those farmfests would replace the decent games.

brain mia

That is why the people that "claim" to want competitive games can play wargames.

/cheers
Sweetsidney

 

[Legacyshockz]

Straw Poll

please pick, doesnt take 1 min

 

[NineteenGLAD]

Hopefully Blizzard will see how much passion the twinking community has.

 

[Healsatin]

I hope xp on and xp off ques get merged. To all the people bitching and moaning about not having competitive wsgs anymore, that's what wargames are literally for and if pugs are actually popping you will be able to do wargames pretty much all the time without worrying about killing ques since there will actually be people playing 19s again and the levelers will keep games popping while you have competitive wargames. The merge would only help the 19 bracket and all brackets for that matter regain some lost activity and potentially would give us a large pool of levelers to recruit to the wonderful world of twinking. Since you can easily get phased to other realms in order to do wargames with people on different servers the lack of competition in pugs shouldn't be an excuse at all (if you don't know how to do it just ask me in a pm or something). I fully support this initiative and hope this was blizzard's plan all along with gear and lvl scaling in bgs. I literally can't think of a downside for blizzard. Twinks pay a lot of money to become bis including server transfers and faction changes for gear something that blizzard cannot deny and cannot turn down. Since leveling is so expedited now people are only stuck in brackets for a few hours unlike the days or weeks it used to take to get 10 lvls and there are so many options on how to level now. Bgs are the slowest of these options anyway so i don't see levelers having as big of a problem as they once did with it. Also with the introduction of even more boas and enchant scaling the playing field between twinks and non-twinks is the closest it has ever been. With a few cheap enchants on boas levelers are nearly as powerful as twinks anyway so i really don't see the issue with merging them now.

 

[Healsatin]

that is why the people that want to farm levelers can turn their xp on. duh

actually being able to play objectively is the only thing i like to do in wsg. Gy farming levelers for 15 minutes getting people to afk out is probably the most boring thing you can do in this game and playing xp on makes it so you literally can't play objectively or you'll level so we can't really play in the xp on bracket with any level of enjoyment. I don't see why you'd be against having competitive wargames AND pug pops instead of no pops whatsoever. Wargames were implemented so you could set up competitive games with people you know in an attempt to actually have competitive games. Setting up wargames cross server is extremely easy if you have one person from their team on battletag, that's all it takes. The only thing blizz could do to facilitate competitive games better is make a que random wargame feature so you don't even have to have another team on btag but that's pretty unnecessary imo as it takes like a minute to get phased and que for a wargame if you know how to (which i will explain if anyone is confused and would like me to).

 

[Swoops]

As an experiment before that thread, I made a hunter with normal BOAs and no crazy enchants and leveled to 75 while checking out BGs at every bracket. At 70, 74, and 76 I personally found several 70 twinks and even a few 79 twinks which believe it or not, had no problem destroying both levels. The only issues I've come across so far have been bonus armor stacking twinks.


Edit: it's clear that most "responses" i've seen lately have not even read my recent post in full.

Let me know if you actually want have a conversation.

Offer stands if you'd like to do more than jerk off over your own self-righteousness.

 

[Healsatin]

because as i said before id rather have enjoyable pugs during vacation only than turn 19s into the shit show the 29 bracket alrdy is

What part of you can make enjoyable pugs with even comps easily with wargames durring vacation do you not understand. Are you just not willing to put in ANY effort to set up competitive games or what? The merge of xp on and xp off bgs would significantly increase the exposure of twinks and would increase numbers enough to actually set up wargames consistently instead of less than monthly. Not everyone is still in school, and some of us would like pops all the time on our 19s instead of still unbalanced pugs for a few weekends out of the year, but i'm sure you didn't consider that not everyone is in your situation. Without pugs 19s activity will continue to dwindle which will eventually make it so wargames are no longer even a possibility. If 19s don't pop no one's going to log on their 19s to get pops going perpetuating the problem. I have personally seen a significant decline in 19s activity ever since i started in late Cata when we would actually get pops every day regardless of if it was vacation or not. Merging xp on and xp off bgs would bring back the exposure 19s are seriously lacking right now which would in turn lead to a potential resurgence of the bracket and then consistent competitive wargames which if i'm not mistaken is what you want anyway. twinking used to be a shit show before xp on and xp off bgs and i can't speak for anyone else, but i'd rather have a shit show than no show at all.

 

[Mocha]

What part of you can make enjoyable pugs with even comps easily with wargames durring vacation do you not understand. Are you just not willing to put in ANY effort to set up competitive games or what? The merge of xp on and xp off bgs would significantly increase the exposure of twinks and would increase numbers enough to actually set up wargames consistently instead of less than monthly. Not everyone is still in school, and some of us would like pops all the time on our 19s instead of still unbalanced pugs for a few weekends out of the year, but i'm sure you didn't consider that not everyone is in your situation. Without pugs 19s activity will continue to dwindle which will eventually make it so wargames are no longer even a possibility. If 19s don't pop no one's going to log on their 19s to get pops going perpetuating the problem. I have personally seen a significant decline in 19s activity ever since i started in late Cata when we would actually get pops every day regardless of if it was vacation or not. Merging xp on and xp off bgs would bring back the exposure 19s are seriously lacking right now which would in turn lead to a potential resurgence of the bracket and then consistent competitive wargames which if i'm not mistaken is what you want anyway. twinking used to be a shit show before xp on and xp off bgs and i can't speak for anyone else, but i'd rather have a shit show than no show at all.

I strongly support HS. He's right. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Healsatin]

how unfortunate

what's unfortunate is our complete and utter lack of 19 bgs. If you don't want to participate in 19 pugs with lvlers only do wargames, i don't see what's so horrible about that since we already don't get consistent pops, and nothing would change for you. Merging bgs would only increase the amount of exposure 19s get as well as bring a great deal of people back to the bracket who are tired of not getting consistent pops and have moved onto different brackets. It's like you're saying i'm tired of facerolling random bgs on my fully geared 100 if only there was some way i could actually have some competition...oh wait there is! It's not our fault you don't utilize everything blizzard has given to us, and lack the will to set up the competitive games you want. You'll still have the capability to play competitive 19s, but you don't want to allow casual 19s and those who are no longer in school to get pops all the time seems a little shortsighted to me.

 

[Skeezin]

why is this still even being discussed lmao

holinka already gave mocha the cold shoulder, nothing is going to change whatever retarded points you put forward

 

[Healsatin]

actually i was commenting on the fact that u respond with a wall of text to every sentence i write

a paragraph is hardly a wall of text, but i guess it must be too much for you. I just don't get why you aren't even open to the idea of getting consistent 19 pops, while you will still have the ability to wargame for your precious competitive games (which pugs aren't the vast majority of the time anyway).

To Skeezin that's a terrible attitude to have. If you don't remember 19s were originally not able to que skirms, and with some help from our community we were able to get Blizzard to add 15-19 skirms something that was initially not intended, so at least we're trying to get their attention which is better than endlessly waiting in que until summer (if it'll even pop consistently then). Anyway i was unaware holinka ignored mocha, but i don't think that should make everyone give up on trying to get 19s activity up in any way possible. Also calling valid arguments "retard points" is severely disrespectful especially since you literally haven't given a single reason why they shouldn't be merged. If you're concerned about the quality of games, you can easily do wargames with the rest of the 19s who don't want to que pugs, i really don't see the issue here. It's pops for all who want them and wargames for those who don't or no pops for anyone. Seems like it's at least worth a little effort to me. If it doesn't work, there was no harm done and if it does work we get consistent pops for the foreseeable future.

 

[Kincaide]

u got me. ur incoherent babbling was too much for me.

several points against a merge have been made u simply consider them wrong or irrelevant

I didn't see several points against a merge, what I've seen is you repeating yourself "I don't want it this way" and then tearing down other people's posts with ad hominem attacks. If you don't have something constructive to add to the conversation you're welcome to stop repeating your personal opinion any time. Getting kind of tired of you standing in the way of constructive discussion.