Rerolling a character over and over for sockets

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  1. Hashbrowns

    Hashbrowns Coordinator Arena Ladder Coordinator

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    This guy had one, might have be GF'd though https://xpoff.com/threads/us-wts-hand-of-edward-the-odd.95497/
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    People do have other characters...
    Also don't you play 10s? Pot meet kettle.
     
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    back in the day 5% speed made a huge difference, FC also had no stacks, maybe today's games are a lot more fast-paced. i will keep your comments in mind.

    i think we are entitled to our opinions and each reader should apply critical thinking instead of blindly following what they read anyway.

    unsure why you are up the wall, come/calm down.
     
  5. Andre

    Andre Meme Jedi Moderator 20s Coordinator

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    his 10 is an old 20, i do believe his experience translates from before pre-patch, on top of gearing a new 20.

    what i think @ohti is trying to allude to is that too much theory-crafting without testing the stuff out in BGs can muddy up the information for newcomers. simply because we don't have wargames to establish meta shouldn't mean absolutely every idea is viable.

    plus, this is kind of an outrageous claim:
    but, i do realize i am totally biased against anyone trying to take away importance of my precious gems. :D
     
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  6. ohti

    ohti $$$ Moderator <TF>

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    I have plenty of twink healer experience (you know this) and it doesn't take much to recognize the infinite value of sp and how much less survivability is worth if you play like an actual healer and not a front liner, which again, you should know. If you have proper foresight then sp > speed and it's not even close unless the margin in the two we're comparing is grossly imbalanced towards speed.

    And ye, I've been playing in 20s on different toons other than my new 20. Although, I will say, my mindset in BFA translates the same into SL 20s. Not sure why you bring this up bc your 20 has like the same amount of SL BGs played as mine if not mine has more lmfao.
    You can have your own opinions, and I encourage you to play how you want I think that's the only way to enjoy the bracket, but quit saying shit like this:
    with such confidence when you have very little to no experience to back it up. Make a better effort to tell people that... the last thing we need is for hpals to be farming fucking https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare?bonus=6712 because you said "it's superior because I say so" to some new guy. That weapon choice is inferior, and it doesn't come down to an opinion. But, if that's how you want to play, hell yeah man.
     
  7. Hashbrowns

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    I'm just saying you don't have to attack the guy's credentials like you know every character he's played before. I seem to recall he was a "returning" player LF a home a while back.

    You are welcome to state your option as is he, probably the most interesting part of this forum. Threads like these tend to blow up, I think a lot of people enjoy theorycrafting.
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    Again, how do you know this.
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    Probably not even remotely true. I'm not the one discrediting people either.
     
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  8. Warglave

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    I think a lot of people enjoy their own theories and not so much any others that might endanger their own validity.

    I like learning from other people myself, and discussing ideas from multiple points of view instead of only one.

    Nobody know everything about everything, no matter how much they might believe the opposite. ;)

    (edit- there's a whole lot of big-fish-small-pond ego among twinks, tends to skew up good conversation...)
    (edit2- and I always note edits after a like just incase that person doesnt agree with it. Cuz fairness is community.)
     
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  9. ohti

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    Yeah man, I love theory crafting. I also think it's important to either have more proof than an opinion if you're going to make your statements seem so definitive. "Hey, I've been trying out this build, and I know it's a little zany but I've been enjoying it." is different from "This is really bad for this because I said so."
    I'm just going off of every single toon I've ever seen him link. I vaguely recall him posting a very impressive 70 rogue from back in the day I think? But that hardly translates into 20 healing experience. If he has some secret healer 20 with more than like 20k hks then I'd take the things he says more seriously, but until I see that, excuse the skepticism.
    I was comparing our priests, and I didn't want to have to count them, but the funny part is it's actually true. Excluding old maps from BFA (obviously, or else at that point we'd have to include my 10, which has thousands of games) and Korrak's Revenge (because that's different from regular 20s experience) my 20 priest has nearly double the SL 20s maps played as yours does (87 vs 37). Again, this is excluding EoTS, AB, and WSG, because I know your toon is older (was a firefighter in BFA) but I would imagine the count for those maps is around the same as the others (roughly 5-10 in each.) The most SL 20 maps you've played on your priest's armory is Seething Shore, at 10 games clocked in. Let's go above average and add +15 games for each of the three old maps, you're still like 6 games below my 87. Unless you've been ONLY qing WSG/EoTS/AB (which I'm pretty sure you don't do because I've played a couple games against your DK in other maps) then we're around the same.

    People have other characters, and I've heard you've been playing DPS lately, so all around sure, you probably have more SL 20s experience, but that doesn't necessarily translate into healing.
     
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    this is all so wierd
     
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    Kind of going off-topic a little, but anyone remember the rogue Brumble back in like 29/39? I found it interesting in my battlegroup that at the time everyone KNEW exactly what was BiS and how you HAD to gear to be "competitive".. then along came Brumble to town and he was an exceptional player, but he also geared well off the known BiS design.

    Well, suddenly everyone KNEW his way was always better. True quality twinks gear that way and anyone else is noob...

    Point is, he was exceptional so he could make anything work and his setup fit his preference and playstyle - but suddenly throngs who had just sworn up and down on the old "BiS" were masters of this new concept as if they never tried another.

    Change only comes from questioning the known... right for one is wrong for another but never stop questioning "BiS".

    As soon as someone actually builds a better mouse trap theres no shortage of people there to share in the credit. ;)

    Thats's cuz 50 is so simple with your essences and visions and raids and covenants... this 20 stuff is complicated!
     
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    Against a level 22 in allied race starter gear I bet you'd hardly tell the difference.... but you'd run 10% faster. :cool:
     
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    Nope. Fury. You'd wipe the floor with everyone, only thing short of perfection is SMF.

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    If you're going to disprove the accepted gearing meta, you gotta have more to it than some bar napkin math and a dream
     
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    i am intrigued by your visions of a speedier dinosaur genocide.
     
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    Everyone has their own play style regardless of what others think is truly “BiS”. That’s what is so unique about playing lowbies their is no true “BiS” for a class and spec only what is BiS for YOU.

    Personally, I have always been a stamina stacker then a versatility/stamina stacker on my healers. Because I am of the philosophy that dead toons can’t heal. And I tend to play close to melee. Plus, I don’t like to spend my precious play time in the GY. And healers tend to get focused by decent DPS. This xpac I have taken a more balanced approach.

    /cheers
     
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    Baron Blade is BiS when your DPS constantly gets kited out of range.
     
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    BINGO!!

    /cheers
     
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