Raidbots/simming won't work. Show me the big dps

It's normal. It pulls the tooltip from wowhead, but it gets scaled correctly in Raidbots
 
Well, I finally got a Helmet of the Constructor with 3 sockets to drop. What a grind that was. So equipping that with the 12 crit meta gem and also adding the northrend inscription shoulder enchant puts me at 588 on the sim. I don't know what it looks like on the target dummies yet. i will get over there and try it in the next few days
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bqwGZQ1wZ8UyftkKj31PoS
 
I want to thank Nowak once again for sharing his video showing off impressive dps and the mouse overing everything at the end. This led me to finally understanding why my sim dps is close to in game for some and not close for a few others.

I built my twink to sim well and it does with the current highest sim dps but I can't do the dps Nowak can on the 4 target dummies. So i set out to try to understand what is going on. My first thought was that the Boralus dummies were buggy or that maybe he was getting some cleave on the one dummy thats close so I traveled to Boralus to see what i could do on those dummies. Needless to say that guard to the right of the dummies was not impressed and murdered me.

So then I started comparing my dps to Nowaks. First i looked at whirlwind and i am out dpsing him in every category so i am really confused how he is beating me. Then the eureka moment, I notice his lifestealing is 48% of his damage where mine is 43%. So looking at this, his lifestealing is scaling on both crit and verse. So now i understand why the sim, that just has an approximation of lifestealing, is not accurate.

So, unless I figure out some way to make lifestealing work the sim is basically dead. I will still keep this going if anyone else wants to participate but trying to beat my toon in sim dps is not the way. Nowak has perfect gear and is the king of dps in game. I do think there is probably room for some more optimization of stats but we will see.
 
After sleeping on this I had a thought. What if we used the .18 override as a baseline for lifestealing but then put in actual verse percentage for people with higher verse? So, I tried this with Nowak which resulted in 627 DPS which i can live with. This is close enough to actual to give me hope that the sim is not dead.

But now there is one other outlier that still throws doubt that the sim is working. @BoatsAndHoes From your thread in your current gear you were at 576 on the target dummies which is exact with the sim but you had said you were later seeing 640 after 5 minutes on the dummies. Is that where you are at now? I know i said at one point i was at 630 but if i really give it a full 5 minutes i drop to 605-610.
 
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After sleeping on this I had a thought. What if we used the .18 override as a baseline for lifestealing but then put in actual verse percentage for people with higher verse? So, I tried this with Nowak which resulted in 627 DPS which i can live with. This is close enough to actual to give me hope that the sim is not dead.

But now there is one other outlier that still throws doubt that the sim is working. @BoatsAndHoes From your thread in your current gear you were at 576 on the target dummies which is exact with the sim but you had said you were later seeing 640 after 5 minutes on the dummies. Is that where you are at now? I know i said at one point i was at 630 but if i really give it a full 5 minutes i drop to 605-610.
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I have 3 sets of gear now.
I kept the original gear I was testing in because if I swap gear and test new weapons in the new gear unless I am retesting every single weapon combo it won’t be apples to apples.
the I also have what I think is my current best DOS set which is probably what’s in my armory now.
And lastly I have a full TW set but I don’t use it cause I’m too slow in it :eek:
 
apologies, i got my people and toons mixed up. @VHSForever is the outlier, i thought i had the sim figured out and working with discovering that Nowak was scaling lifestealing with crit/verse but i still had no answer for Letsgoblast showing a 640 dps screenshot.

So, here is my final conclusion on simming 11's, it doesn't work. There is something janky going on that makes no sense and that the sim will never catch. My latest setup was really close to Letsgo setup in fact i was simming for more but only doing 610dps on the target dummies. So i respecced to match his stats not expecting it to do much. Now i sim less but am at 635 dps on the target dummies.

TLDR-There is something magical about 43 haste(14.59%) and then crit verse. I changed my haste from 42 to 43 and went up 25 dps. Nowak is still the current king of dps at 655dps, he is taking this same haste number but has more stats than letsgoblast and i do to scale lifestealing with higher crit and verse.

I am going to edit the op to reflect that the sim is crap but i am going to leave the contest up to see if anyone has another setup capable of even more dps
 
Long time lurker, figured I might as well throw my hat into this before the TW gear gets nerfed.

140 str
23% crit
29% haste
9% ver

DPS hovered between 559-665 depending on if the trinkets were proccing or not.

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https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/veknilash/bladewing/
 
Very impressive! Bladewing showing us you can get up there with high haste. That might be a brilliant idea to offhand hatebringer for 3 additional sockets. i will get you added.
 
Was playing around with using different weapons most of them ended around the same DPS, so I settled on staying with Runeblade + Hatebringer to stay at speed cap.

Trinkets on the other hand had the most impact to DPS, and trinket that had the most impact ended up being Cannonball Runner, which when proccing (sometimes with multiple up) pushed the DPS up over 700 before ending the 5 minutes with 686.

134 str
23% crit
29% haste
12% ver

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Also had this outlier where I had 672 DPS when both Carbonic Carbuncle and Vigilance Charms stacked on top of each other twice during the 5 minutes.

140 str
24% crit
30% haste
7% ver

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From my testing it seems Cannonball Runner, Carbonic Carbuncle, Vigilance Charm, and Needle-Encrusted Scorpion do not have a CD, which probably means having a higher haste will increase the chances of these trinkets proccing. Though what I've screenshotted here are the higher ranges of RNG, if there's a proc drought the DPS ends up in the 640-645 range.
 
Thanks for all the testing. That is a new high by quite a bit, well done. I will update post #2. I am not doubting your numbers, i am just wanting to make sure your on the 4 target dummies? Its the only thing i can't tell from your screenshot. One more question, from some of your comments it sounds like you are seeing rising dps during the 5 minutes? With the low haste build we seem to pop off at 800 or so and ramp down till it flattens out around 4 minutes or so
 
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Thanks for all the testing. That is a new high by quite a bit, well done. I will update post #2. I am not doubting your numbers, i am just wanting to make sure your on the 4 target dummies? Its the only thing i can't tell from your screenshot. One more question, from some of your comments it sounds like you are seeing rising dps during the 5 minutes? With the low haste build we seem to pop off at 800 or so and ramp down till it flattens out around 4 minutes or so
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Yeah I'm hitting the 4 dummies (I don't think any critter got in the way, and there was no one else hitting them at the time)

I also get the initial spike of 800ish DPS, but the throughout damage isn't steady and the number changes when the proc happens and especially if the procs happens on top of each other.

From what I've noticed I get the following every 1-2 minute spans:
630-640 neither trinket has procced.
640-650 one trinket procs
650-660 both trinkets proc close to each other
660+ both trinkets proc at the same time and/or repeatedly

I've had some tests where it quickly drops down to 630 because neither trinket has procced for the first couple of minutes, then they start going and it steadily climbs upwards to the 650 range as the procs happen. Also had the reverse where the procs happen in the first minute and holds a high 680 before going down the same range. Then sometimes I get really lucky and I get a lot of procs throughout which ended up in the screenshots. During those two particular attempts the DPS held in the 700-710 range while both trinkets were active.

The trinket RNG probably means 5 minutes isn't enough to smooth out the highs and lows. I think people who've used the ooze trinket have seen the highs plenty of times when you get 5 oozes out at the same time, or when the thing doesn't proc at all.

I should note that the final displayed DPS might not be 100% accurate. I have some contradictory screenshots were I've ended at 200k damage done at the 5 minute mark but one of them has 649 DPS and another 657. If I recall correctly the 649 was when I had a proc drought at the start and it was climbing back up from 630, and the 657 started out strong; but either way at the end of the 5 minutes 200k damage was done. Course the difference might be within a single whirlwind at the trail end of the test.

So that might be a consideration that's needed, to divide the damage done number by 300 to get the 'true' DPS value over the 5 minutes.
 
Thanks for the confirmation. I just don't want to lead anyone astray as i probably already have with chasing sim numbers. Also, thanks for all the other good information, you have found a really good set up. I still think we can push it a little bit further but as you suggested it may just be up to lucky trinket procs, although mine doesn't seem as volatile as yours. I generally start pretty high and then ramp down to a pretty constant value, i see procs and such but they only bump it a few dps.
But i also haven't ran a lot of repeated tests so far. Generally i change something, test, and say well that was better or worse.
 
Thanks Synkro! I will get post 2 updated with you as the new #1. Your toon looks to be perfect with the 3 socket helm and belt and lvl 80 mech rings with sockets. Just so people know what it takes to gear like this the helm and belt both took me roughly 500 runs each. Of course you could get it your first or in even more runs. The mech rings with sockets, i don't even know, i am in the middle of that grind
So i have been thinking about this for a while. I do believe 5 minutes is a good representation of the dps a twink is capable of but it's not representative of the short fight lengths we have. I am going to add a 30 second burst column to the table as it is closer to actual fight lengths and may or may not provide useful information
 
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Lol, you guys are pumping out the dps! testing my bookkeeping skills. I will get your new high posted and thanks for the 30 second burst. I believe the same people will dominate that also but what if a tw geared twink hops in here and posts 1000dps burst, we will all be f'ed up
 
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