Hordes problem is that without TL there is a complete lack of class diversity (every game has ~50% rogues in team), and the players which could make a difference have adopted some shitty mindset where they contribute in no way to the game and hunt down weak/stray allys. (Looking at Bubu/Hysterio and a myriad of other players, Jana for another example.) It seems the few people who actually queue horde to make a difference are always let down by these folk, (and also the randoms who have no interest in objective). People like Tehbaws, Mesi, Roula and a few others who will log the losing side to try and keep games competetive receive no thanks, both from the shitty horde teams they try and assist and from the ally teams who just roflstomp them anyway even though it's killing the pops.
This is just what I'm seeing from the past few days anyway. I don't care whether or not i'm winning/losing games on either faction, just so long as it's competetive and it's not atm.