krimson
Grandfathered
Play as you want, but how is your comparison even close to meaningful? 10 and 19 are in the same bracket. 19 vs 29 / 39 are not.
Questions about 10s stats~
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Flaxy
Legend
Because he was saying how a higher level would be better, so i was using that in an exaggerated way.
Conq
Guest
Twinking is all about playing a different kind of non-mainstream play style, so I can understand the level 10 thing, it just helps to have a legitimate rationalization for it. Is the Meta that much different at level 10? I know they lack a few key spells.
Healsatin
Legend
You are clearly missing my point entirely. 10s and 19s are both in the same bracket and my comment that stated 19s are better than 10s is relevant to the 10-19 bracket and no other brackets. Sure a 29 should beat a 19 in a duel, but it's irrelevant when talking about 10-19 bgs where that scenario literally couldn't happen. The highest level of a bracket is just better than all other levels in that bracket since everyone gets scaled to the max lvl of the bracket anyway and only the highest levels have access to certain abilities and gear.
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Flaxy
Legend
Well obviously its gonna be better, but a few things :
-3/4ths of the time you'll be outside org/sw dueling
-The reasons for 10s is the insane stat scaling - i never said in bgs
-Either way if i was joining bgs, i'd love to be at a disadvantage to try and do good
-The bracket could always go back to 10-14, 15-19
Dodgeyou
Dodgefathered
Just an observation from the previous comments.
If 10s are occasionally topping damage in BGs, and the answer is that they would do better as a 19, then there are some 19s seriously failing in those BGs. Because if 10s are junk like what has been said, then they should not be beating 19s. In reality, the 19s that are under performing are gimping the team, not the 10.
If 10s are occasionally topping damage in BGs, and the answer is that they would do better as a 19, then there are some 19s seriously failing in those BGs. Because if 10s are junk like what has been said, then they should not be beating 19s. In reality, the 19s that are under performing are gimping the team, not the 10.
Healsatin
Legend
I assumed the scaling you were referring to was the scaling in arenas/bgs. At least you're acknowledging that you would be putting yourself at a disadvantage in a bg, that was the main point i was trying to get across. Although the bracket could go back to 5 lvls blizzard literally JUST changed it back to 10 lvls so i highly doubt they'd make that change in the foreseeable future. You do you, if you want to play at 10 be my guest, i just wanted you to know what you're getting yourself into and i felt i should make my opinion known that 19s are better than 10s in bgs.
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Your attitude is the reason why US isnt getting pops atm.
Play whatever you want. Its not cuz you arent playing a FOTM that you should not queue up.
I play my 10 warr in BGs. People hate me. I have fun. I dont care.
On topic; depending on how much crit you have, you might want to consider grabbing some crit on neck/rings. If youre satisfied with what you have, dump it in versatility.
My 10's crit takes a severe beating in WSG cuz of scaling, which is why I stack crit on ring/neck. For world pvp, I would eventually get a 2nd pair of rings/neck and slap versatility on it (since I have over 100% crit)
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If your attitude isnt the one that I misinterpreted as being discriminating against 10s and encouraging them not to play in the BGs with other 10-19s in order to grow the activity, then what did you mean by your statement?
I'm saddened to see that the only reason was majorly associated to your personal input on 10s. Eventually, you will realize the world does not revolve around yourself and that their are many factors in choosing a level 10 twink instead of 19.
If you have such a bad taste for 10s, why are you even commenting on this thread.
Dont bother replying to this post. If you have a problem with 10 twinks, you have a problem with me. So please send me a PM we can discuss this privately so you don't litter this thread.
Healsatin
Legend
Besides sentimental attachment I really can't think of why someone would choose to play 10s over 19s if they intend on doing wsg. I get that 10s could become viable again someday, but that day is not today. I would genuinely like some insight as to why you play 10, maybe there's something i'm missing but i'm pretty positive 10s are just worse versions of 19s when in a wsg environment. I personally only arena and wsg on my 19s so i don't get the appeal of intentionally playing a gimped character (in comparison to 19s). I don't mean to be disrespectful, i just literally can't think of any benefits to being 10 over 19 and would like your insight. I've voiced my opinion on 10s and it'd be great if some 10s gave any valid reasons to not play 19 in wsg because no one has actually done that. I just would really like some reasoning behind your actions.
Rusks
Legend
basically the only thing they will come up with is "because its fun" 10s wont compete with 19s in the gulch period, they scale the same as a 19 and lose the scaling that made them viable.
krimson
Grandfathered
Nobody is doing serious testing on 10's because they aren't really viable outside of f'ing around with. So, what should you stack? Nobody is answering because nobody really knows. Why is everyone stacking different things in the armories? Cause nobody knows.
Looks like Gift of Vers enchants gets you 50% versatility at 10. I'd say that is a pretty damn good place to start. Gives you an across the board 50% damage buff & self heals and 25% damage reduction.
From there, I'd say Int=SP > Stamina > Haste=Crit and just try to grab the best gear possible for that. Since at level 10 the gear choices are a lot smaller you have to let the gear options do some of the deciding for you.
Looks like Gift of Vers enchants gets you 50% versatility at 10. I'd say that is a pretty damn good place to start. Gives you an across the board 50% damage buff & self heals and 25% damage reduction.
From there, I'd say Int=SP > Stamina > Haste=Crit and just try to grab the best gear possible for that. Since at level 10 the gear choices are a lot smaller you have to let the gear options do some of the deciding for you.
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Twinking does not all revolve around WSG.
What your asking is very subjective, but in my personal experience I started my 10 (warr in sig) a while back (wotlk) without WSG in mind at the time. The creation of your twink should not be based off of its class' performance in WSG. I find wpvp just as fun as wsg. However, when Cata came out, I realized what my twink could do and I think that it reached its peak in WSG then. I wont deny it, a lot of sentimental value is tied to Sponsor and is a large reason why I dont care about what others say on my performances in WSG with 19s (mind you, I topped DMG charts once in 10-19 game).
Now, I understand the current trend is to hate on 10 twinks since they're the weaker twinks of the 10-19 bracket. They are. But I don't care. I don't play my twink to be the best FOTM on my team. I get it that 10s are weaker, but it wont stop me, nor will it stop other 10s from playing WSG.
Take 20-29 twinks for example. There are tons of 20 twinks in that bracket (p2p with f2p restrictions), and they don't seem to bother anyone.
Level 10 twinks are just as part of this bracket as 19s are. Take a few moments to think about that.
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You guys pull out facts out of your bumbums, I swear.
If someone would have asked me a question about 10s regarding ANYTHING back in MoP, I could have given them detailed explanations on various spec, stats and enchants. The "new" expansion is, can you imagine, new! Of course people are still iffy about what stats to choose.
People are doing the right thing not answering his question directly because they dont want to give faulty advice.
Rusks
Legend
maybe because 20-29 depends on f2ps for games so they are used to playing with no geared jajas and they dont care? and they like being at an advantage to them? they dont really do premades at 29 or atleast that ive seen so idk why else they would play 20-29 except to farm f2ps since pugs arent competitive
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krimson
Grandfathered
I never stated any facts, I gave an opinion.
And it's not pulling facts out of my ass so much as making an observation and using common sense.
From your "Gift of" enchants:
~50% chance to crit ... 50% chance to do 50% more damage (~125% effective damage)
~100% multistrike.... 100% chance to do an additional attack that is 30% effective. (~130% effective damage)
~50% versatility... 50% flat damage increase and 25% damage reduction. (~150% effective damage and 25% effective health increase).
Yeah, hard choice.
If you think this needs deep mathcraft and testing, be my guest.
Healsatin
Legend
This is pretty much exactly how i was going to respond. 29s don't care about 20 p2ps because they're better than f2ps, and like rusks said 29s rely on 20s and f2ps for pops. 19s don't rely on 10s for pops since there are rarely ever any in bgs and when there are any it's only 1 per game and are simply at a disadvantage compared to 19s which is why they get all the hate. 29s are not looking for competitive games, they're looking to sit in gy for 15 mintues or afk out at the first sign of trouble and there are virtually no 29 premades or wargames that i know of so i don't think you can compare the two brackets in virtually any way. the fact that a 10 topped the charts only once says a lot about it imo. I've topped the charts on my priest countless times since wod sometimes both in dmg and healing a feat i promise i would not be able to do at lvl 10.
Healstrong
OG
The 19 bracket may not rely on 10s but having them queue certainly helps get pops as opposed to none. From what i can see though many 19s are moving to play 29s.
tommyruin
Legend
I hate it how people discriminate just because he wants to play his own way... If he wants to queue as a 10, let him queue as a 10? Only then can you really decide if its worth doing, not trolling him over the internet now? The whole idea of twinking is maxing out your characters potential at a set level, why can't they do that at 10? My play style has always been play how you want to play... If you want to do something do it, you pay the money to play the game it shouldn't be dictated by others! (I have 10s and 19s) the stats I like to stack on my casters are certainly haste, and probably versa for a lock 
I recommend ele force too because it will be deadly with Corruption! All the best with your twinking!
I recommend ele force too because it will be deadly with Corruption! All the best with your twinking!