Questions about 10s stats~

Elitist twink rage turns me on - it's so juicy because it's so heavily hypocritical. 'Errrrrmahgerrrrd, why don't our precious pubs pop?' Have fun when those queues get longer because you drove out an increasingly active demographic by attacking people new to the game of twinking.

It's stupid and it's pointless - if you have an ego to stroke, please do it in premades, where you and your other jacked-up little chums can masturbate over each other's awesomeness.

We spend enough money and time on our twinks as it is, we don't need the added chore of wiping up the shit you spew because you couldn't go 30-0 on your BM.
 
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tommyruin said:
I hate it how people discriminate just because he wants to play his own way... If he wants to queue as a 10, let him queue as a 10? Only then can you really decide if its worth doing, not trolling him over the internet now? The whole idea of twinking is maxing out your characters potential at a set level, why can't they do that at 10? My play style has always been play how you want to play... If you want to do something do it, you pay the money to play the game it shouldn't be dictated by others! (I have 10s and 19s) the stats I like to stack on my casters are certainly haste, and probably versa for a lock :) I recommend ele force too because it will be deadly with Corruption! All the best with your twinking!
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I thought the point of a twink was to have the best character possible in a level range. 19s are literally just better than 10s in every imaginable way in wsg. I am positive i can decide if it's worth doing because i have seen a fair amount of 10s in 10-19 xp off wsgs (although they're very few and far between) and they literally just have worse stats than 19s. There was a "bis" 10 guardian that was queing a while ago and had everything he could possibly get at lvl 10 and his health was like a thousand less than a bis 19 guardian. So it doesn't take a genius to see that 10s are worse in bgs. 10 rogues do way less damage in wsg than 19 rogues and lack kick (the only thing that's keeping rogues viable imo) This guy can do whatever he wants, I just think he should know the fact that 19s have better stats than 10s in wsg since he couldn't really come up with a reason to play 10s other than "i want to." I wanted to inform the op and the rest of the bracket of the facts at hand, it's not my fault you guys blatantly ignore everything we've been saying in this thread. You do you if you really insist on playing 10s go for it, i just thought you guys might want to see some valid reasoning as to why 19s are better than 10s if anyone's still confused just look through my posts in this thread i've made my points emphatically clear and no one has come up with an actual reason to play 10s over 19s other than attachment to their old twink which is why i think making a new 10 instead of a 19 is ludicrous.
 
NoLemon said:
Elitist twink rage turns me on - it's so juicy because it's so heavily hypocritical. 'Errrrrmahgerrrrd, why don't our precious pubs pop?' Have fun when those queues get longer because you drove out an increasingly active demographic by attacking people new to the game of twinking.

It's stupid and it's pointless - if you have an ego to stroke, please do it in premades, where you and your other jacked-up little chums can masturbate over each other's awesomeness.

We spend enough money and time on our twinks as it is, we don't need the added chore of wiping up the shit you spew because you couldn't go 30-0 on your BM.
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10s have 0 influence on 19 wsg pops. they occasionally represent like 1/20th of a game, and i never see 2 10s in a wsg. I assumed 10s would want to play xp off wsgs with 19s to help us get pops, but they are clearly not getting involved in the community at all. Making a new 10 is crazy imo if you ever plan on playing wsg or arena. I never attacked someone who's new at twinking to my knowledge, and if i did i was merely informing them of the facts of our bracket since they probably don't know about gear scaling. Also 19 pugs don't pop because of a que bug not a lack of 10s. The other night there were at least 10-15 19s on for each faction and wsg still took like an hour to initially pop. A lack of 10s has 0 influence on 19s since they are represented in so few numbers and never actually help us get pops anyway. Idk where your bm comment came from since i'm pretty sure no one in this thread even plays bm at 19, don't be salty because you're at a disadvantage on your 10 and just play a 19 to be on an equal playing field as the rest of the bracket.
 
Godcomplex said:
tldr for this thread: ur all mean elitist 19s and i play 10s because.. reasons. no idea what reasons those r but i promise theyre rly good
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The best reason in the world when it comes to play games - we enjoy it.

L2p a game for the sake of playing a game, pffft.
 
Godcomplex said:
okay what makes ur twink more fun at 10 than at 19

let me guess

reasons
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Hurrr durr how you guessss?

Reason 1: WPvP is better - scaling and the element of surprise, especially as people don't know about 10's as much.
Reason 2: Bigger sense of satisfaction when you do well.
Reason 3: I don't have to put up with people like you.
 
10s were fun when there was still hit rating and you could kill level 30s
 
Exactly what godcomplex is saying we don't care what you do outside of bgs but I want you to know that you are putting your team at a disadvantage when you que xp off wsg on a lvl 10 instead of a 19. In response to NoLemon, if 10s actually contributed a shred of activity to the 19 community i wouldn't have a problem with you guys but 10s are literally putting your team at a disadvantage because the other team WILL have 10 19s. If the games were half 10s and half 19s no one would care but it's always 19 19s and 1 10 who puts their team at a significant disadvantage or more frequently it's 20 lvl 19s with 0 contribution from the 10 community. If 10s actually helped us get pops no one would say a word to you guys but you flat out don't, and you simply gimp your teams composition. And like i said in my first post haste or versa is going to be best for a lock. Haste for cc lock, versa for the dmg reduction.
 
I made a 10 because 19's were somewhat boring. Why play a 19 in PUGs with undergeared/unskilled players? Best way to get better was to "gimp" myself by making a 10. Then the XP off was introduced and it was pretty much only decently geared twinks. We made a "premade" 10 vs a PUG (year 2010) of 19's and had a blast.. I think we won the first one - or tied - and then lost the second two to one vs the 19's.

Way back in time 10's were seen as pretty OP according to Curley. http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f32/lvl-10-hunters-8167/

Back in the day when I obtained a Crystalforged Trinket - Item - World of Warcraft I was pretty on par with the 19 hunters.

Then we had the few weeks of resilience (video courtesy of Duckhunt) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-dn8LTTiY

Over years of playing stats change, gear changes, and every single G'fed 10 who levelled their 10 regrets it..

Out of WSG as a group of 3 tens we downed Thunderaan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liSkZKcpqaQ

Over 15000 haste was achieved (0.02 attack speed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uv0apisRxg

I realize that some of this is PVE. Sometimes the PVE crosses over into PVP. It is only a matter of time before Blizzard makes their next change and 10's become the FOTM. For an exceptional 19 not to make a 10 . . . that would just be embarrassing especially in limiting your knowledge of the game.
 
ok...but all of that was in the past all of those videos are at least 2 years old and the haste was only achieved using cookie, which means nothing in a pvp environment. Wow has changed a great deal since those videos and it's sad to say but 10s just aren't as good as they once were. You shouldn't need a lvl 70 item to be on par with lvl 19s. If a 19 had that item they would have hands down beat you every time. There were times when 10s were viable and even potentially better than 19s, but that is not the case in wsg today. With the removal of hit 10s pretty much can't do pve encounters anymore. I highly doubt 10s could 3 man thunderaan anymore or fel reaver or anything like that. I don't understand how literally limiting your abilities by being 10 would expand your knowledge of the game. If anything being lvl 19 would increase your knowledge of the game compared to being 10 because you have more abilities to learn how to use properly. Why would any exceptional 19 intentionally gimp themselves by making a 10 that would in fact be embarrassing for the 19 community. Blizzard literally just implemented gear scaling in bgs and arenas instead of just scaling low level characters and their gear. If anything blizzard is moving farther away from 10s being better than 19s, not the other way around as you suggested. Yes they could undo all the work they JUST did, but why the hell would they do that and waste all that time effort and money. Gear scaling is here to stay for the entirety of this expansion at the very least.
 
Healsatin said:
ok...but all of that was in the past all of those videos are at least 2 years old and the haste was only achieved using cookie, which means nothing in a pvp environment. The pendulum has swung in another direction - true. Wow has changed a great deal since those videos and it's sad to say but 10s just aren't as good as they once were. You shouldn't need a lvl 70 item to be on par with lvl 19s. Skyguard Silver cross mean anything to you? A 19 used that one as well. If a 19 had that item they would have hands down beat you every time. There were times when 10s were viable and even potentially better than 19s, but that is not the case in wsg today. With the removal of hit 10s pretty much can't do pve encounters anymore This is a real "hit" to them :( I highly doubt 10s could 3 man thunderaan anymore or fel reaver or anything like that They couldn't before the ridiculous hit either, however, the game is constantly changing - 10's will probably see "Their day" again. I don't understand how literally limiting your abilities by being 10 would expand your knowledge of the game 1. A good player will stay at 19. A better player will make a 10 to explore the possibilities of stat scaling as the game evolves. 2. When the pendulum sways towards 10's every 19 without a 10 will scream bloody murder (as seen for years and years and years....and years) - the 19's with a 10 will also enjoy the moment. 3. Playing at 10 means that you have to play "better" than your 19 opponent even with limited abilities. It means that you look for the openings and go for the kill. 4. When a 19 sees a 10 - they often assume it will be an "easy" kill. oops. If anything being lvl 19 would increase your knowledge of the game compared to being 10 because you have more abilities to learn how to use properly. Why would any exceptional 19 intentionally gimp themselves by making a 10 that would in fact be embarrassing for the 19 community. Different perspective is education in itself. Blizzard literally just implemented gear scaling in bgs and arenas instead of just scaling low level characters and their gear. If anything blizzard is moving farther away from 10s being better than 19s, not the other way around as you suggested. Yes they could undo all the work they JUST did, but why the hell would they do that and waste all that time effort and money. Gear scaling is here to stay for the entirety of this expansion at the very least. Again - patience. . . so many 19 twinks rush to all the conclusions you have made.
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I agree with some of what you have said. 10's will just have to be patient as they often are.
 
Ioerror said:
I made a 10 because 19's were somewhat boring. Why play a 19 in PUGs with undergeared/unskilled players? Best way to get better was to "gimp" myself by making a 10. Then the XP off was introduced and it was pretty much only decently geared twinks. We made a "premade" 10 vs a PUG (year 2010) of 19's and had a blast.. I think we won the first one - or tied - and then lost the second two to one vs the 19's.

Way back in time 10's were seen as pretty OP according to Curley. http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f32/lvl-10-hunters-8167/

Back in the day when I obtained a Crystalforged Trinket - Item - World of Warcraft I was pretty on par with the 19 hunters.

Then we had the few weeks of resilience (video courtesy of Duckhunt) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-dn8LTTiY

Over years of playing stats change, gear changes, and every single G'fed 10 who levelled their 10 regrets it..

Out of WSG as a group of 3 tens we downed Thunderaan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liSkZKcpqaQ

Over 15000 haste was achieved (0.02 attack speed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uv0apisRxg

I realize that some of this is PVE. Sometimes the PVE crosses over into PVP. It is only a matter of time before Blizzard makes their next change and 10's become the FOTM. For an exceptional 19 not to make a 10 . . . that would just be embarrassing especially in limiting your knowledge of the game.
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Take all of my likes! Take em all I say!

Feels nice to see you are still alive, Ioerror!!

gaith.moughrabi said:
BTW Gratz on back to human !
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Thanks! We're farming Ethereum Prison keys on alliance, so I had to switch him over since I'll be using them on Sponsor. Goblin was only a temporary thing anyway, since I just went for the gloves :p
 
Ioerror said:
I agree with some of what you have said. 10's will just have to be patient as they often are.
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I don't suggest that 10s level to 19 i'm suggesting that if they plan on playing wsg with 19s then they should have a 19 to play with as well as having a 10 for world pvp and whatnot. I believe 10s and 19s are two separate worlds. Honestly skyguard silver cross means nothing to me as i started twinking in cata when that was already out of the bracket (i assume since i've never seen it before) I'm not saying 10s won't have their day again i'm just saying that day is not today or any time in the foreseeable future so i don't understand why you're fighting so hard for them now in our current patch. If you guys want to be patient and not play 10s until they have their day again be my guest, but most people will not wait it out and they will get a lot of hate for intentionally hurting their team in wsg. I don't see how making a 10 with less abilities would ever make someone a better player at 19 not having all the potential resources and abilities only limits your play, maybe 10s should make 19s to expand their skillsets. Being 10 doesn't mean you have to play better it means you CAN'T play better since you literally lack the full potential that 19s have and great players won't intentionally gimp their teams. You should be looking for openings and going for kills at 19 i don't see how it's any different. Also when most people see a 10 in wsg it generally IS an easy kill compared to a lvl 19 since they literally can't achieve the health pools 19s can and their insane stats are normalized due to scaling in bgs so they don't have any advantages. You mention that different perspectives are educational but all 10s scream bloody murder when i suggest they try out 19s since they are in every capacity better than 10s in wsg and arenas right now but no one seems to adequately acknowledge that. Like i said before i don't think 10s should be leveled, but i also don't believe they are viable in wsg or arena and are merely a hindrance to our team in wow's current state. Everything i've been saying has been for this current patch, not several expansions ago or several expansions from now and right now 19s are just better than 10s in wsg and arenas hands down there is no debate there.
 
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