PvE - Best Tank and Healer combo?

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  1. Hashbrowns

    Hashbrowns Coordinator Arena Ladder Coordinator

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    I've been trying to figure out what the best tank and heals combo at 20 would be. Just want to speed run (ok pull the entire dungeon) and provide some carries, for nights where the PvP is pretty eh.

    Here's what I have so far:

    Prot warrior/MW
    Gdruid/MW

    I really think MW, just given the movement and the fact you can channel soothing forever. Plus the HoT and most importantly, spinning crane kick. I think the double aoe damage from tank and heals is a must. Can probably run bramble if wep damage impacts that as mistweaver. I'm sure Twink heals can keep up with dungeon damage without primary stat on their wep.

    Tank is tougher. I know prot pally is very strong but a few things; if you aren't soloing the self heals don't seem as important. I don't like the aoe on pally as much, req you put down concentration and stand still. I also think they take more damage than prot warrior.

    Guar with staff looks strong, constantly moving and thrashing/bleeding.
    Also https://www.wowhead.com/spell=155783/mastery-natures-guardian increase healing received, which probably means soothing is more than enough.

    Prot warrior I believe still has a built in protection stance damage reduction, making them the tankiest of all the plate tanks.
    Edit: Holy hell https://www.wowhead.com/spell=71/vanguard


    What would you run?
     
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  2. Radoon

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    For tank you should also consider Brewmaster. With bramble staff + Naga hide enchant, you get a lot of health pool in shield, and they provide nice aoe damage and are able to move, + their mastery works decent with many enemies at once..
     
  3. glancealot

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    Have people tried double https://www.wowhead.com/item=28311/revenger?bonus=6710
     
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    It is most definitely Prot War/MW at lvl20. I have ilvl49 prot artifact and my revenge skill combo'd with spinning crane kick is insane for clearing dungeons.
     
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    i think the mobility of BM/MW would be better than the mitigation of a prot warr for quick dungeon clears.
     
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    Vengeance at all?
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 6, 2021, Original Post Date: Jun 6, 2021 ---
    Man Prot warrior is so bad 10-14 but it's quickly gaining abilities. Looks like a powerhouse. Just need some speed but https://www.wowhead.com/spell=262231/war-machine or https://www.wowhead.com/item=136975/hunger-of-the-pack?bonus=1826:1472 would be fine.
     
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  8. Andre

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    of course! but not 2s, only solo. venge is too good @ PvE. :trollW:

    no, but seriously: venge doesn't have spammable buttons, you have to actually activate gamer mode to play. BM monk: just spin to win.
     
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    I have not, the heal is good but idk if it matters if you run with twink heals. I like the idea of Bramble with Naga for BM, so your mastery grants you stacking dodge, which triggers Naga. Their AoE is somewhat lacking I'm guessing... spinning crane kick doesn't look as broken at 20 as it is at 10 but truthfully, I haven't tested BM much. I wish they got Keg Smash.

    Guardian doesn't have many abilities, Thrash and rage spender on Ironfur. Might be good but looks a bit boring. Bears are always fun though.
     
  10. Andre

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    i got 2 revengers on my WW that i smacked the dummies with for a while (haven't tested as BM on groups yet).
    the proc wasn't too rare, but also not that common. was registering on dummies for about 180-210 dmg.
     
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    @Neon read this before you go all out with your project
     
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    I didn’t realize there were level 20 tanks. Thought they were all level 10 monks making people catch up.

    For good or bad a critical shield slam still makes you feel op.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 7, 2021, Original Post Date: Jun 7, 2021 ---
    You guys could also tank with a 20 hunter/bramble combo. We are the best tanks
     
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    My recommendations for 2's PVE Tank Healer:

    Prot Warrior (S-Tier as 2's), Paladin (S Tier in general).
    MW Monk for bomb heals and AoE bumps for faster clears (A+ in my book for 2's), Resto Sham for bosses, giant pulls, and spike situations (A in my book for 2's as you get no AoE).

    Running a paladin tank that can heal itself takes pressure off the healer unit to provide heals and allows for more DPS (like with MW and Spinning Crane Kick). Classes that can excel in AoE damage at their core (like Warrior and Blood, both of which neither need to be hard tank in 2's dungeons and could play a dif spec) would benefit more from a bomb single target healer like resto sham, as their aoe potentially outpaces a dedicated tank and healer trying to fulfill both roles.

    Honorobale Mention: Bear tank with Staff of the One True Bramble King and Naga Hide is an incredibly good tank as well, and unloads great Aoe Damage as well, but you need this setup to have best damage and mitigation.

    Long story short, I think any combo is fine but those are my top recommendations.
     
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    Guardian Druid is the best tank for 11-20. It has the fastest speed to clear dungeons and has good aoe/rot damage to where you can rot all of the mobs while running in cat form. You also can use dash to be even quicker.

    The best pve low level healer twink is resto Druid. Despite what people think, it can in fact heal effectively. It can keep up with the Druid tank and also pop dash to be quicker. It can moonfire every mob and rot everything down while running with the Druid tank.

    These are the best choices you can’t really argue against it. The faster you are the faster you will clear.

    For the fastest dungeon clears possible the guardian Druid needs to be level 11 and the resto Druid needs to be level 10.
     
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  16. Zerofoxtrot

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    But his post was for 20s specifically...
     
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    Are you lacking reading comprehension skills or is this an attempt to sass/troll. Regardless, I don’t care what people think and will not respond to people quoting me.
     
  18. ohti

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    Lol what 10 BM > 11 guardian and it's not even close.

    Bang on about resto though.

    Back on topic: 20s
     
  19. Neon

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    Brewmaster monk will not clear as fast as Druid tank simply because the Druid tank moves quicker. You can’t really argue about it.

    If there were two of me both playing 11 Druid tank/10 healer, I could pull everything and by the time I reach the end everything in the dungeon would be dead.
     
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  20. ohti

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    BM has a no cd aoe that procs lifestealing more than thrash bc 6s cd and in less gcds (packs die faster, which can also clip potential HoTP uptime) bc no need to spam moonfire when thrash is off cd. Furthermore: BM has an ability that will take a boss from 100% hp to 0% hp in 1 gcd which gets you moving to the next boss much quicker than just burning it.
     
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