On locks and mages

[Groenboompje]

Oh god I can't believe you took the bait, laughed throughout your whole post

Taking the bait perhaps, i just try to defend myself which is a normal human thing to do. But thanks you for admitting to have a go at ME.

[/COLOR]What I wanted to prove was that warlocks can go and top the scoreboards in every single aspect as a f2p toon, I posted SS's of some BGs where I did exactly that, and on top of that posted some recount data.

So was this so hard to tell what the intentions where?

Hahaha I was wondering why a totally random person would hate me, this explains actually laughed out loud when I saw this! Thanks for the laughs!

We have discussed this before... you lack memory?

I beg your pardon but I seriously can't be bothered to answer the rest of what you said in your post, going to bed now. Have a good night, my friend [/COLOR]

Right.. this is a good example of someone not having arguments instead of acusing me having none.

Good night kid.

 

[Groenboompje]

Editing while i reply ok

What you call GY farming is actually GY containing which is a very viable strategy to win WSG (as mentioned before), and I won't hesitate to use it in order to win the BG. What you call map exploiting is actually just smart coordination through the terrain, and something anyone can learn with just a little bit of effort.

Like i said before we differ opinion here and what you are talking about are just lame excuses of justifying yourself. We all know this.

[/COLOR]"I hate u cus you can outplay me, both with coordinating the map and strategically"
This, my good ole buddy, is what you call putting words in your mouth. In reality, it is called reading between the lines.

I agreed to the rules blizzard made. Even though i am able to do things like this and blizzard is not going to fix it, i am not going to bother anyone else with it.

I hope we can have some mature talk in the future then this nonsense.

 

[SPQR]

I would just like to say, no they are not useless, not at all!

To whoeva say they are usless: think again when u come acros 2.5k desto who purge u in 3 sec.

 

[Mesikämmen]

Even though i am able to do things like this and blizzard is not going to fix it, i am not going to bother anyone else with it.

"I am better than you and I can do all the jumps in wsg and I could control the game whenever I want, I just can't be bothered."

Heeey, dude you sound exactly like Lolipop

 

[Ridwane]

Perhaps someday i will when you admit and stop gy camping/farming and or stop exploiting maps

Good day.

[MENTION=19743]Groenboompje[/MENTION] someone have to slay rats, apparently on thoses screens [MENTION=10714]Mesikämmen[/MENTION] make thoses kids sit down what's the problem?

What I wanted to prove was that warlocks can go and top the scoreboards in every single aspect as a f2p toon, I posted SS's of some BGs where I did exactly that, and on top of that posted some recount data. But hey, you can always keep on hatin' me!


Hahaha I was wondering why a totally random person would hate me, this explains actually laughed out loud when I saw this! Thanks for the laughs!

What you call GY farming is actually GY containing which is a very viable strategy to win WSG (as mentioned before), and I won't hesitate to use it in order to win the BG. What you call map exploiting is actually just smart coordination through the terrain, and something anyone can learn with just a little bit of effort.

"I hate u cus you can outplay me, both with coordinating the map and strategically"
This, my good ole buddy, is what you call putting words in your mouth. In reality, it is called reading between the lines.

I beg your pardon but I seriously can't be bothered to answer the rest of what you said in your post, going to bed now. Have a good night, my friend

Why when you are farming it's called GY containing and when TL do it it's called GY farming that's the real question.

 

[Trijea]

im on team mesi

 

[Sputnick]

Mesikämmen you haven't cleaned your garbage properly.

 

[Whatgoesup]

I hope we can have some mature talk in the future then this nonsense.

Dude, being impartial here and reading this thread from the start, I'll give my 2cents. You start by saying that the screens are from 5.3. Mesi says you're correct and posts some from 5.4. They are still good results, and you start by saying that he has pocket healers as if you can't handle the fact that they are good results. Then it just gets a back and forth about who is right or who is wrong. Honestly, you are in the wrong here. True, Mesi baited you a little bit because you reacted so heavily, but still. You start, for no reason, talking about pocket healers and that he is bad etc. And after he outwits you with his arguments you start acting as if he is attacking you. So just stop posting, you're just digging yourself into a hole and going in deeper and deeper. You were in the wrong, he was right. Sorry, but deal with it.

 

[Mesikämmen]

Why when you are farming it's called GY containing and when TL do it it's called GY farming that's the real question.

When TL contains the GY, I don't believe it is farming. You've probably seen me on my 19s aswell pushing the enemy team to the GY in the intention of keeping them there, as a strategy to win the game, and I don't believe there is anything wrong in that given that it is in order to cap flags.

I admit I have been QQing about the GY contain strategy, but that is not because I consider it GY farming (unless people do it just to grief the other team and not in order to cap flags). I have disliked the strategy being used in the 19s bracket against much weaker teams which have no chance of winning the game, due to these people being discouraged (and mad) of the strategy and stop queing, which sometimes makes the pops stop for the night. Pops ending after just a game or two after it started popping is not fun and I'm pretty sure nobody wants it to happen.

However, this has never been a problem in the 20-24 bracket due to much bigger playerbase. As for 19s bracket, people have made much more effort in learning MoP wsg strategies and trying to fix the faction balance by loselogging, so I don't see GY contain strategy being a problem in the 19s anymore either.

EDIT: [MENTION=16713]Whatgoesup[/MENTION] I'd give you a like for your post which is full of truth, however I'm out of likes for the day so consider this as one

 

[Whatgoesup]

EDIT: [MENTION=16713]Whatgoesup[/MENTION] I'd give you a like for your post which is full of truth, however I'm out of likes for the day so consider this as one

Y NO LIKE?!?! Ok, /defriend /ignore /remove btag /remove fromSkype. Never talk to me again, iz too stronk.

 

[Mesikämmen]

Y NO LIKE?!?! Ok, /defriend /ignore /remove btag /remove fromSkype. Never talk to me again, iz too stronk.

Ok there you go I was lying to you as usual (jk think they just resetted or it was bugging)

 

[CripzBlood]

You can call it whatever you want, my boy, but the cold fact is that controlling the enemy team is the most viable WSG strategy right now. Most fights start in the middle of wsg map, due to the fact that everyone has to pass it in the starting of the game. Wipe the enemy team in mid @ start, and if your own team is intact after that, you have control of the middle which means your FC is free to pass the middle. When you control the middle with majority of your team, you will also have a free chance of killing the EFC 10v1 (or 10 v however much enemies you let pass the mid @ start). After your FC has freely passed mid and you have returned the flag while effectively controlling the enemy team in the middle, you should start pushing the enemy team to their graveyard to gain even better control of middle. Your FC keeps on having a free pass through mid, and the enemy FC is trapped at their GY or unable to pass middle.

GY farming and GY containing are two different things as I've stated before. Midcontrol is the most effective strategy in WSG in the current metagame, you can see some 90 lvl RBGs and 19 or 20-24 recorded premade games, and you will understand this. When midcontrol lis succesful and the enemy team keeps on wiping, the best thing to do to win the game is keep on applying pressure on the team and pushing them backwards. And guess where they will go when they are overwhelmed? They will move back, back up to their own GY to receive help from their fellow teammates who are about to spawn from GY. This is why one-sided midcontrol often turns into GY containment. A succesfull GY containment will usually win you the game in about 7-10 minutes, depending on how fast your FC and how succesfully your team is able to keep the opposing team controlled.

Please feel free to PM me if you want any more help on pvp strategies, macros, class mechanics, anything you'd like to know really I'll do my best to help, sincere offer.

what u dont understand is that is not about mid farming or gy farming, its about keeping ur team together and alive, simple.
Yes its effective, but does ur premade really needs to do it vs pug of tacoheads?
its digusting, cuz then they will want to farm too, and 20-24bracket turns into 19-15bracket, no ty.

Hold your horses, what game are you talking about? Please further specify what game you are talking about and we'll talk about this.

hehe, i like ur answer, it means i can pick one of many games u had pocket healers.
But like above ur premade is just doing what they should do, stay together=stay alive.

Like I said before, "What excuse will people come out with next for locks being shit @ 20? Please go on, I'd be happy to hear".

After showing all the data from recount aswell as scoreboard, what will you want next? Keybinds, all my macros shown, arena screens with full recount data, 10v10 premade screens with recount, screens from 10,000 games to show how locks qualify as average?

whos saying locks are shity? or that u are bad?
to me locks and mesik are both good, its just a shame that u are always premading, but i understand, its b-tag or aggramar lots of ppl wanting to premade, chat etc...

funny is that i talk about the games with ur premades, and u post recount of game without ur premade.
but about that SS i guess u want a comment too.
idk how that game was, or how the players played, but it looks u played well and got most kb´s, and got more deaths then in the game u are with ur premade, and like u said i guess u use well ur potions, bandages etc...

but u did worst without ur premade, its normal.
OT: Warlocks are good and destro dmg from a well geared lock is pretty good.

"Clowns can have opinions 2"

Dat irony xd

i dont understand, u dont even answer so i guess u were being funny, few laughs are good for the lurkers.

 

[CripzBlood]

Editing while i reply ok


Like i said before we differ opinion here and what you are talking about are just lame excuses of justifying yourself. We all know this.


I agreed to the rules blizzard made. Even though i am able to do things like this and blizzard is not going to fix it, i am not going to bother anyone else with it.

I hope we can have some mature talk in the future then this nonsense.

its mesik rules, they are above to blizz, ur supposed to exploit terrain and gy farm to win, its the only way, its the mesik way, THE RIGHT WAY.

but in the end its diferent opnions, many ppl stopped using this strategy/exploits&jumps for some reason, cuz its bad for other who are getting farmed, or dont know how to use "ramdom" exploit.

 

[Groenboompje]

Dude, being impartial here and reading this thread from the start, I'll give my 2cents. You start by saying that the screens are from 5.3. Mesi says you're correct and posts some from 5.4. They are still good results, and you start by saying that he has pocket healers as if you can't handle the fact that they are good results. Then it just gets a back and forth about who is right or who is wrong. Honestly, you are in the wrong here. True, Mesi baited you a little bit because you reacted so heavily, but still. You start, for no reason, talking about pocket healers and that he is bad etc. And after he outwits you with his arguments you start acting as if he is attacking you. So just stop posting, you're just digging yourself into a hole and going in deeper and deeper. You were in the wrong, he was right. Sorry, but deal with it.

It is not about results.. results can have alot factors like the heals or team setup or even a good/bad player.. stuff like this does not show that locks are good and for god sake i never said anything about mesi being bad.. for me this is not about winning or losing so you are so wrong on that 2 same for me giving arguments which i didnt even do i gave pointers and hints. But w/e, typical ti attitude here.

 

[Sabzep]

How about you guys roll up your epeens and take your dickwaving somewhere else.

Mages and Locks are certainly very fun and viable classes. Fear and sheep alone make them very strong. But they do have a disadvantage that you have work around: casting spells.
1. You have to stand still to cast, making you vulnerable. ( especially noobrogues that have trouble hitting a moving target)
2. Spell pushback: making a two second cast into a three second cast basically reduces your dps by 50%
3. An incomplete cast makes no damage. A cast that is interrupted with a stun or with an enemy LoSing. Is wasted time.
4. Spell lockouts and silences shuts you up completely. ( very annoying with our plentiful Frisbee fans from the south)

Compare that with the class that has a 8 second sprint on a 20 second cool down with 100% percent dps while moving.
And you know why mages and locks are significantly harder to play and therefore a rare sight. Don't get me wrong, I like mages/locks and playing one well is way more satisfying and fun. But pretending it all boils down to numbers on a scoreboard instead of the reality you face in PuGs does not help anyone.

In summary: try playing a mage/lock and don't get discouraged too easily. Go at it with realistic expectations and you'll play a class with great utility and very good damage and rise up to the challenge.

 

[Mesikämmen]

its mesik rules, they are above to blizz, ur supposed to exploit terrain and gy farm to win, its the only way, its the mesik way, THE RIGHT WAY.

but in the end its diferent opnions, many ppl stopped using this strategy/exploits&jumps for some reason, cuz its bad for other who are getting farmed, or dont know how to use "ramdom" exploit.

First sentence I am not going to spend time answering, you know why.

You're right. Everyone has equal potential on using these strategies and coordinating, it is just about whether they bother putting effort on learning them or not. Or the other option, of course, is to QQ and bash everyone who decide to take their time to improve their gameplay by learning these things.

 

[Groenboompje]

You're right. Everyone has equal potential on using these strategies and coordinating, it is just about whether they bother putting effort on learning them or not. Or the other option, of course, is to QQ and bash everyone who decide to take their time to improve their gameplay by learning these things.

You don't improve game-play by exploiting, it lowers the game-play how it's meant to be by cheating. You play by the rules, you accepted that when you bought wow and logged in for the first time and has nothing to do if people want to learn exploits or not. Excuses excuses.

 

[Mesikämmen]

You don't improve game-play by exploiting, it lowers the game-play how it's meant to be by cheating. You play by the rules, you accepted that when you bought wow and logged in for the first time and has nothing to do if people want to learn exploits or not. Excuses excuses.

Tell me how many people you have heard getting any kind of ban/infraction about terrain jumps in the wsg? Not counting the ones where you actually exit the map somehow. I've used them for years now, so some tryhard is bound to have reported me for exploiting at least once. Still, I have never gotten any kind of infraction, ban or even a GM contacting me for them. Neither have I heard anyone else getting any infractions/penalties for using these terrain jumps which you guys label as exploits.

Oh, and how is it not an improvement in your gameplay if you can do jumps vs not being able to do them? Your claim is absurd When someone picks the flag, jumps to tunroof and stays there, are you just going to not jump after him and come rage about it on TI? Is that better gameplay than just jumping after him for the return?

May I ask, what are the reasons you call these terrain jumps exploits? I mean, what are the requirements of categorizing a certain jump in a wsg as a terrain exploit?

EDIT: Sorry for offtopic :<

 

[Activate]

Shut up talk about clothies or else

edit: apparently TI doesn't come equipped with cruise control

 

[Ridwane]

Tell me how many people you have heard getting any kind of ban/infraction about terrain jumps in the wsg? Not counting the ones where you actually exit the map somehow. I've used them for years now, so some tryhard is bound to have reported me for exploiting at least once. Still, I have never gotten any kind of infraction, ban or even a GM contacting me for them. Neither have I heard anyone else getting any infractions/penalties for using these terrain jumps which you guys label as exploits.

Oh, and how is it not an improvement in your gameplay if you can do jumps vs not being able to do them? Your claim is absurd When someone picks the flag, jumps to tunroof and stays there, are you just going to not jump after him and come rage about it on TI? Is that better gameplay than just jumping after him for the return?

May I ask, what are the reasons you call these terrain jumps exploits? I mean, what are the requirements of categorizing a certain jump in a wsg as a terrain exploit?

EDIT: Sorry for offtopic :<

Well a RBG leader @ 3k 5 mmr was doing the same in WSG, he got reported. and banned let me found the thread on arena junkies. It's just Blizzard don't give a f to people who don't even pay the game.