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[Falaris]

That's exactly what you did in your response brah.

So lets get back to the point at hand. You initially said that Thiefs Blade is a trash weapon, and that Cruel Barb is strictly better. After some 'discussion' back and forth, youve came to admit that if a rogue uses a Sharpening Stone, which all rogues SHOULD be using, then Thief's Blade is in fact better than Cruel Barb, meaning its FAR from the trash weapon you initially claimed.



So in closing, I think Im due a simple 'hey man, youre right, I was wrong' response.

 

[Orcgasm]

So lets get back to the point at hand. You initially said that Thiefs Blade is a trash weapon, and that Cruel Barb is strictly better. After some 'discussion' back and forth, youve came to admit that if a rogue uses a Sharpening Stone, which all rogues SHOULD be using, then Thief's Blade is in fact better than Cruel Barb, meaning its FAR from the trash weapon you initially claimed.



So in closing, I think Im due a simple 'hey man, youre right, I was wrong' response.

It all comes down to preference man. The difference between them won't make you a good or a bad rogue.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

So lets get back to the point at hand. You initially said that Thiefs Blade is a trash weapon, and that Cruel Barb is strictly better. After some 'discussion' back and forth, youve came to admit that if a rogue uses a Sharpening Stone, which all rogues SHOULD be using, then Thief's Blade is in fact better than Cruel Barb, meaning its FAR from the trash weapon you initially claimed.



So in closing, I think Im due a simple 'hey man, youre right, I was wrong' response.

Sharpening stones were never mentioned. Yea, rogues should be using them, but it's not a permanent item that is always freely available, kind of like Rum. I could argue that someone is bad because they don't use Halaani Whiskey (+20 stam) instead of Rumsey Rum (+15 Stam). The same way you could argue a rogue is bad for not using +4 stones instead of not having any stones with them.

 

[Sanit]

Gonna have to go with Fal on this one here IAT. Halaani whiskey is Unique (3) where as Rum you can have thousands of if you so desire.



Stones are the same way in the sense that they aren't unique and you could (if you really wanted to) fill an entire 20 slot bag with stacks of them. They're easier to acquire than both Rum & Halaani whiskey because all it takes is a few minutes of farming the stones even for a level 19 without a main.

 

[Kaoslol]

So lets get back to the point at hand. You initially said that Thiefs Blade is a trash weapon, and that Cruel Barb is strictly better. After some 'discussion' back and forth, youve came to admit that if a rogue uses a Sharpening Stone, which all rogues SHOULD be using, then Thief's Blade is in fact better than Cruel Barb, meaning its FAR from the trash weapon you initially claimed.



So in closing, I think Im due a simple 'hey man, youre right, I was wrong' response.

Saw you today in a WSG



disapointed i didn't see you in any arenas

 

[Falaris]

Saw you today in a WSG



disapointed i didn't see you in any arenas

I queued for a couple, but Im concentrating on leveling herb atm. I was just goofing around in wsg when i got bored from herb/doing satchel runs. This guy doesnt even have fang legs atm, Ive got alot of work to do with him.

 

[ArthurianKnight]

Cruel Barb = Item level 24

Thief Blade = item level 22



bizzard themselves consider Cruel Barb as better then thief blade.

that alone should show you that it is better. but at the same time show you how minimal the difference is between both.

 

[Quelfep]

Cruel Barb = Item level 24

Thief Blade = item level 22



bizzard themselves consider Cruel Barb as better then thief blade.

that alone should show you that it is better. but at the same time show you how minimal the difference is between both.

Formal dangui is better than all other twink chests because it has an iLvl of 60, Amirite?

 

[ArthurianKnight]

actually yes it is...

+6 all stats and the special temporary chant on it makes it well worth it and quite close to the actual 19 Chest.



thats what the item level is for, detemrining what things can do.

cruel barb and thief blade have quite close in item level and thus are supposed to be quite equals.



EDIT:

you also seemed to have missed th epoint of last statement, which was that they are quite equals and to wear one or others wouldn'T make that much difference.

 

[Quelfep]

actually yes it is...

+6 all stats and the special temporary chant on it makes it well worth it and quite close to the actual 19 Chest.



thats what the item level is for, detemrining what things can do.

cruel barb and thief blade have quite close in item level and thus are supposed to be quite equals.

I have seen zero people running around with this. The obvious choice is the inferno robe that comes with a free 19sp and the additional choice of 35+ chants

 

[Kore nametooshort]

actually yes it is...

+6 all stats and the special temporary chant on it makes it well worth it and quite close to the actual 19 Chest.



thats what the item level is for, detemrining what things can do.

cruel barb and thief blade have quite close in item level and thus are supposed to be quite equals.



EDIT:

you also seemed to have missed th epoint of last statement, which was that they are quite equals and to wear one or others wouldn'T make that much difference.

This holds alot more value at end game than it does at twink levels. At twink lvls iLvl holds alot less sway than the stats on an item since the value of stats at 19 is distorted from the 80 equivalent. Take spirit for example, at 19 its a crap stat, much more so than at 80, but its still taken into account with blizz's iLvls so any item with spirit on it cannot be trusted iLvlwise. Also consider hit rating. At 80 the hit cap is far easier to come by than at 19, therefore any item with hit rating would be worth more than it would as a lvl 80 equivalent. iLvl is unreliable to rely on, this applies for all stats due to their relationship to any distorted stat.



iLvl doesnt mean much at 19, you have to look at the stats.

 

[ArthurianKnight]

i agree, and thats also why i said that both have item level quite almost identical, meaning they have like so few differences.



itemlevel is still a good way to know if blizz had intended the item as an upgrade or as lower value.

to me both weapons are quite identical even when i look at the stats, so i really dont know why they make such a fuss about it.



EDIT:

of course nobody runs in it, because most if not all people over value their stats.

why would a rogue drop 3/3 wrist for 5 ?

because stats once stacked is better then anything else, its not a 1 on 1 basis that you much check but rather the whole character and the end results.



comparing +6 all stats + temp chant to a 19sp robe +6 all stats makes it an even easier choice, for the sole purpose that everybody will priorise the spell power over the protection the other gear gives. the same way people were saying +15 res on inferno robe was sucking when it actually gave the healer that much needed damage absorbsion. i really hate bliz for nerfing res now, its really a shame !



its all a matter of views and how much you value one stats over another.

 

[Quelfep]

itemlevel is still a good way to know if blizz had intended the item as an upgrade or as lower value.

They didnt design the game around twinks. Maybe in a leveling scenario, iLvl could matter. Items were intended to be replaced as people leveled, so Blizz doesnt really care

 

[Crilicilyn]

iLvL rly only matters when putting frost oil on

 

[ArthurianKnight]

wow, quelfep, so you are saying blizzard didn't design their item level at all ? what made them use them then ?



seriously quelfep, please try using your logic, blizzard used the item level todetermine what object at which level could be an upgrade for naybody at a certain levelk, even though it wasn't designed for lower level it was still needed for lower level to actually get new items and not just think "hey i'll stay with that white chest until i am 60 !"

Items were intended to be replaced as people leveled, so Blizz doesnt really care

that really loooks weird, saying that means blizzard didn't care at all and designed only for the 60 bracket, so whoever created the less items just created a random generator and shooted it off so it could generate random items that eventually some levelers could feel lucky to get ?



thats what i understood of that one thing.

nah, blizzard did create sets for lower levels, aka defias, aka fang, aka crusader.

those sets prooves that blizzard did cared for those leveling and wanting to get better items. not to mention the number of great quest rewards that are actually quite good.



they had to care, otherwise this game wouldn't have been sucessfull from the start.

 

[Sanit]

My God TwinkInfo has a large amount of dumb shits posting here. Isn't there any way to enforce an intelligence requirement to post?

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

My God TwinkInfo has a large amount of dumb shits posting here. Isn't there any way to enforce an intelligence requirement to post?

If only .

 

[ArthurianKnight]

if only, people like you guys wouldn'T even be able to post here...

 

[Sanit]

Sick burn bro. Pass 3rd grade English then come talk to me.

 

[Sinjo]

pleaaaase dont dw sf it crits my eyes, its a waste useing it as a offhand, thiefs blade is more than good enugh, i havent done maths about it, but im quite sure there is a combo that beats dual sf