Dpook
10/11s PVE Farmer w/ splash of 20s PVP
Ohti - Do I need to link
I am one of the most establish farmers in this Thread If you want to talk about farming you missing with hot poop and it might get a little stinky if you take it there 
Mythic Al
Boring Troll
Hmm, where have I heard this kind of rhetoric before?
Dpook
10/11s PVE Farmer w/ splash of 20s PVP
Chops - enchants on adaptable is not better for a high intellect player than the foam? Yes or No?
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Very well stated Al
Sin'dor
Veteran
Just a "heads-up" to @necroaqua, @Kaxle, @Brihan, @Warglave, @Eleannor, @zazzyfraz, @Winterly, @artonkn, @Yapah, @Dannymcbride, @Swoops, and anyone else who occasionally uses the Blizzard™ Armory database to check if various items "have the potential to upgrade".
It's been shut-down.
For those who may not know... when their server tries to show something that's unavailable/inaccessible/missing, you get a 404 error:
...and you simply try-again some other time, hoping that by then it's "back to normal".
However, when Blizzard™ intentionally removes something... you get a 410 error:
...and it simply no longer exists online.
What does this mean for us? For the moment, it looks like we no-longer have a convenient way to confirm an item's "upgradability" status. It was fun while it lasted, but hopefully we've all done enough "research" by now that we can manage without it.
...and who knows? Perhaps with all of the recent item-changes, Blizzard™ is actually in the process of "upgrading" the whole database? Only time will tell, I suppose.
Anyway, it seemed relevant to this thread... so there ya' go.
It's been shut-down.
For those who may not know... when their server tries to show something that's unavailable/inaccessible/missing, you get a 404 error:
...and you simply try-again some other time, hoping that by then it's "back to normal".
However, when Blizzard™ intentionally removes something... you get a 410 error:
...and it simply no longer exists online.
What does this mean for us? For the moment, it looks like we no-longer have a convenient way to confirm an item's "upgradability" status. It was fun while it lasted, but hopefully we've all done enough "research" by now that we can manage without it.
...and who knows? Perhaps with all of the recent item-changes, Blizzard™ is actually in the process of "upgrading" the whole database? Only time will tell, I suppose.
Anyway, it seemed relevant to this thread... so there ya' go.
Brihan
Coding RealmChat, the WoW F2P addon
We got a lot of time to look at pretty much all the useful items that could proc epic ... But we still have some things we don't know ...
I don't feel like it's a real loss. It's just sad that in the future we won't be able to check information with that, especially if we get access to new items, and will have to check it the "old way".
I don't feel like it's a real loss. It's just sad that in the future we won't be able to check information with that, especially if we get access to new items, and will have to check it the "old way".
ohti
Guest
Did you try any way back machine websites or anything, sometimes those still workJust a "heads-up" to @necroaqua, @Kaxle, @Brihan, @Warglave, @Eleannor, @zazzyfraz, @Winterly, @artonkn, @Yapah, @Dannymcbride, @Swoops, and anyone else who occasionally uses the Blizzard™ Armory database to check if various items "have the potential to upgrade".
It's been shut-down.
For those who may not know... when their server tries to show something that's unavailable/inaccessible/missing, you get a 404 error:
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...and you simply try-again some other time, hoping that by then it's "back to normal".
However, when Blizzard™ intentionally removes something... you get a 410 error:
View attachment 13239
...and it simply no longer exists online.
What does this mean for us? For the moment, it looks like we no-longer have a convenient way to confirm an item's "upgradability" status. It was fun while it lasted, but hopefully we've all done enough "research" by now that we can manage without it.
...and who knows? Perhaps with all of the recent item-changes, Blizzard™ is actually in the process of "upgrading" the whole database? Only time will tell, I suppose.
Anyway, it seemed relevant to this thread... so there ya' go.
Kaxle
OG
Those monsters! Thanks for the heads up @Sin'dor
https://web.archive.org/web/2015*/http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/6199
Probably going to be hit or miss, those pages didnt exactly have a lot of traffic
https://web.archive.org/web/2015*/http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/6199
Sin'dor
Veteran
Yeah, it's a waste of time:
- 95% of the items won't have even been "scanned", because the Archiver didn't come-across a link "directing" it towards them.
- The more recent (epic-containing) Armory pages are essentially dynamic web-apps streaming bits of database content... so even the few item-pages that get archived are mostly "empty backgrounds" and "errors".
FiveSpice
Legend
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Sin'dor
Veteran
Not personally, but I know I've seen them epic... (possibly even in this thread).
EDIT: I started reminiscing about how awesome that quest was... and figured some of you might appreciate a quick "flashback":
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hom
Grandfathered
Yes Othi - A healer with a brain (Shaman/Monk/Druid/Paladin/Priest) +4 intellect weighs more than +4 vers.... I would take the intellect over verse as it gets scaled down in BGs as Intellect scales up and we all know +1 Stam is only 10HP.
So Chops and Ohti, stop lying to the ppl as choosing 1 over the other is personal pref - because both are BiS now
I'd still argue that staff is better for healers, although only by a fraction.
Healers don't really need more intellect, they already do a lot of healing on their instants/when they can cast. What they do need is the ability to survive multiple arcane missiles being channelled on them or the stuns from paladins and rogues alike.
The 4 intellect won't help them here as much as the 4 vers, 1 stam would.
Shaman and Paladin should always be picking shields anyway.
For casters, I'd vouch that the mainhand and offhand are better. More customisation of stats and higher spellpower options are available. Then again, if I was trying in arena, I'd probably still pick the staff due to the survivability it has over mainhand/offhand.
hom
Grandfathered
Like i said, the difference is fractional. If anything the best idea would be to have a set of both. MH/OH for when you're at range pumping SS and dotting people up, swapping to the staff with ele force on if they get close as you'll want the survivability/melee damage/spamming Moonfire with ele force procs for most damage.
ohti
Guest
preach
the only two reasons you should be using MH/OH:
1. you're sick and tired of the ugly ass staff mogs (totally understandable noones going to fault you for that)
2. you're a mongoloid arcane mage
jokes aside I can see like maybe boomies using MH/OH instead, but I would advise against using it for anything that isn't a glass boomkin/arcane mage.
I switch back and forth depending on my mood. normally I use MH/OH now but if I'm in a legit game against twinks and not levelers I have no choice but to bust out the foam, I'll take any advantage I can get. (seriously staves are so god damn ugly trust me I wish MH/OH was better)
ohti
Guest
does it scale to +6 in bgs? I don't think it does but my memory isn't the sharpest.
you might be confused with +4 to shield.
hom
Grandfathered
The argument is that healers heal enough. They don't struggle to top themselves or others in pretty much 1 cast. What they run into most issues with is surviving burst. The 6 intellect won't help them out in those situations as much as the stamina & vers will.
Yes we're splitting hairs, as I said it's fractional. But bis is bis. This only applies to monks, priests and druids mind you.
Yapah
Legend
+4 at 19/20, +6 at 29 (in bg for 20)
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No sane healer would take 1 stam 4v over 6 int
ohti
Guest
Our point is that healers are fine and an extra like maybe what, 10hp? To their heals wont mean shit when a hunter is critting for 800+
Any chance to squeeze out more damage reduc would likely be more beneficial. I guess you could make the exact same arguement about that tho.
But ye were really knit picking here they're basically the same
Farming an epic foam is easier than double blue adaptable tho God damn