New to the bracket in classic is wall glitching the whole game now?
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fungchewuchi
Master of the Flying Guillotine
super old but this was a fav video of mine on the subject
https://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=118073
especially the fakeouts towards the end
https://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=118073
especially the fakeouts towards the end
Puempeekstoh
Legend
Thats cus youre uninformed and suck at the game.
Bestworld
MBA
Jumps have been a part of twinking for a long time, and classic is now so old that the meta is not what it was back in 2004/2005. The players evolve and so does the meta because of that. Jumping has been a huge part of twinking for ages now, not just on classic, but retail as well. Especially before they remastered the entire WSG map. And even then, people still do jumps whenever it holds an advantage.
As long as the jumps don't actually make you "safespot". Safespotting basically refers to when you reach a point where you are directly invulnerable. Simply getting juked doesn't mean that the person you're facing is safespotting. That is very important to distinguish.
Also, jumping is not that hard. Takes a few trial and error runs, and bam. Easy. Even more easy if you have a gaming keyboard with configurable macro keys or a gaming mouse that comes with firmware that enables macro configuration. You can then simply set up a series of events that will emulate w+space (jump forward) with a 0ms delay so that you won't fuck up the timings. The angling on jumps are simple and super fast to learn.
As long as the jumps don't actually make you "safespot". Safespotting basically refers to when you reach a point where you are directly invulnerable. Simply getting juked doesn't mean that the person you're facing is safespotting. That is very important to distinguish.
Also, jumping is not that hard. Takes a few trial and error runs, and bam. Easy. Even more easy if you have a gaming keyboard with configurable macro keys or a gaming mouse that comes with firmware that enables macro configuration. You can then simply set up a series of events that will emulate w+space (jump forward) with a 0ms delay so that you won't fuck up the timings. The angling on jumps are simple and super fast to learn.
iLennie
Veteran
I know blizz probably wouldn't ban for it, but how cheesy can you get?
Bestworld
MBA
GL on persuading Blizzard to ban macros based on gaming hardware. What are they gonna look for with their Warden? That you have a keyboard or mouse firmware installed on your PC? GG ban everyone with a post 2008 kayboard / mouse lmao.
I guarantee you that anyone and everyone who has the firmware ability to do this uses it. A near 100% jump rate success on certain jumps that do have high execution requirements would be an impossible feat without it.
I am not saying the jumps would be impossible without it, but the close to 100% success rate wouldn't be a thing.
iLennie
Veteran
Games have been able to detect macros for literally decades. That said, blizz isn't going to look for it & I'm well aware. I just feel like macroing jumps should be frowned upon. Seems like it is commonplace from your comment, which is sad.
Bestworld
MBA
They can detect third party software, but that's it. Simulating button inputs is not something that can get caught, because when is it the macro? When is it the player? How do you calculate it based off intervals? Etc. Lots of stuff. Just not feasible.
The funny part is, if you're running a third party software that's NOT an actual firmware, do the same type of thing, then THAT'S actually banable. Basically, Blizzard's way of saying don't be poor and just get the proper gaming equipment, hue.
Also I haven't looked at Blizzard's Warden again after they first updated it a while back. It went into literally super aggressive, full-blown spyware shit. You got an incognito porn tab running? Blizzard knows my dude, no
. Anything running in memory gets processed and analyzed (given Battlenet or a game is running).People have probably already found a way to circumvent it by now, but back then it was kinda a wtf moment compared to the old Warden.
Symandria
Legend
I'm old school, I have the hardware to do such macros, but won't as it would provide an unfair advantage that breaks Blizzard's rules.
If you practice the jumps you can get good enough for most real world cases anyway, and you'll have greater ability to adjust for variances : ) But you'll never have the same success rate at a 0% speed to 100% speed jump.
If you practice the jumps you can get good enough for most real world cases anyway, and you'll have greater ability to adjust for variances : ) But you'll never have the same success rate at a 0% speed to 100% speed jump.
Bestworld
MBA
It's as much rulebreaking as having addons or any other game-enhancing tool (that's within ToS).
Hardware macros are within ToS as long as you don't do anything that fall under "automated gameplay".
A jump macro is not automated gameplay. A looped chain of inputs is automated gameplay.
Little Tommy has higher fps, a higher refresh rate monitor and better ms than you so he lands his kicks effortlessly whereas you don't.
Charlie is using addons that tells him when a boss starts a certain mechanic.
Chad is using a DR tracker.
etc. etc.
Point being, what you, personally, find an unfair advantage or not means squat. Especially when it's within ToS and already widely used and accepted by the majority.
There is literally no reason to make your gameplay difficult for the sake of it being difficult. There are plenty of aspects to set players apart, and even if you are able to perform the jump(s), it's not the same as knowing when and how to use them properly.
Arkant
Freedom~
The ToS defines every software that allows for automation as cheating. Just because they dont enforce it for mouse/keyboard software doesn't mean they are in the same category as ingame macros or addons.
Puempeekstoh
Legend
Jump macros relevancy is definitely related to the lack of enforcement against them.
Just like botting, Blizzard bans in waves therefore the lackluster banning inbetween those waves makes the botting vastly more relevant.
Symandria
Legend
This is exactly correct. All usage of 3rd party software (including running on an external device such as a mouse or keyboard) is strictly against the Terms of Service and is permanently bannable.
With a keyboard/mouse macro you can have looping and complex behavior they specifically don't allow through in game macros. Keyboard/mouse macros can easily execute a set rotation or a set of keystrokes to execute a complex jump. Both are classic examples of automation.
Whether you will or not be banned is up to Blizzard and can change at any time.
Bestworld
MBA
Except what they mean by automated gameplay is literally a looped series of events. Kind of botting in a sense.
Arkant
Freedom~
And mouse/keyboard software allows for just that. Not seeing your point.