New F2P Channel Aerie Peak

[KainUFC]

One of the things I love most about Yasueh's addon is the how the longest tenured twinks automatically get passed moderator. Its honestly a stroke of genius in the design, so that there is a built in respect for the history of the community.

Personally I did say something when this went down on one of my alts, I reinforced the opinion that 24s are not welcome in the channel or in premades. Notice I said "opinion" and not "rule" because AFAIK there are no official rules and there never have been. Of course there are "unspoken rules" and the exclusion of 24s is definitely one of them, and I do agree that people in /f2ptwink should be aware of the unwritten rules and have respect for them. And I agree that at the time chat was full of randoms, and they did gang up on Activate a bit.

@ Activate it might be easier for people to have your back in these types situations if you didnt come off so confrontational or like rigid with the disciplinarianism. Honestly historically there were not many bannings of this sort unless somebody did something like ninja loot in dungeon runs. The only times people really got kicked in the good old days was when Felix would rage at some random.

In my opinion I think you need to grow a thicker skin and not start syphoning off members of the community that the rest of us are trying to play within. Of course you guys are free to do what you want but, if people leave we are losing the elders of the community. I just think its silly and I think its a shame. Just like all the other elite twinks that tried to spin off somewhere else, you can ride off into the sunset whatevs.

 

[Activate]

@iminivib
I don't get why you feel the need to pick apart every heated word in this thread with such venom. We are working towards a solution. When we are prepared to take action all will be revealed.
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We are also changing the name of the channel due to it being a terrible name.

 

[Activate]

@ Activate it might be easier for people to have your back in these types situations if you didnt come off so confrontational or like rigid with the disciplinarianism. Honestly historically there were not many bannings of this sort unless somebody did something like ninja loot in dungeon runs. The only times people really got kicked in the good old days was when Felix would rage at some random.

That's a fair point and I appreciate you making it. My intentions and my actions don't always add up. Luckily I have some good people to help me now and my efforts will be more effective.

 

[iminibiv]

@iminivib
I don't get why you feel the need to pick apart every heated word in this thread with such venom.

i disagree with what you are doing, and

blatant disregard for the well-being of your own community gets me heated

what good are your words if i can't pick them apart? it's irrelevant, but i sometimes edit my posts days after making them to be sure they're properly worded

what venom? are you actually reading what i'm posting?

We are working towards a solution. When we are prepared to take action all will be revealed.
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We are also changing the name of the channel due to it being a terrible name.

please do NOT keep your plans secret. that's foolish and counterproductive

led zeppelin is life

 

[Rollop]

Not sure why this is even an issue. Why is there such resistance too the idea. These players obviously don't want to deal with the trolls that have infested the AP community. So they want a new sandbox to play in, what hurt does this cause anyone? It sounds like you can still join them, as long as you can follow basic rules.

 

[Neon]

There were no rules in the old days, I don't need any restrictions affecting my gameplay, the attitude of some APers is just douche - baggery at it's best imo. If you wanted a secret circle go back to Coilfang.

 

[Sundusk]

If I may, i'd like to refer people to Kochi's guide to having both channels up at the same time.

I wouldn't look at this so much as a splinter movement, but more of a step back to catch your breath. As long as people abide by the unsaid rules of AP (which is not difficult >.>) people are more than welcome to take part. I personally have been involved in both channels as soon as I got Kochi's idea working.



http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/yasueh-2-addons-%3D-2-channels-50292/

 

[Dorigon]

i disagree with what you are doing, and

Why should you care if they choose to make their own little sandbox to play in? It is no business of yours.

 

[SallyG]

Why should you care if they choose to make their own little sandbox to play in? It is no business of yours.

Agreed.

Disagreeing could get you banned from the castle.

 

[Kilda]

I joined the AP community just recently, and I have nothing bad to say about the attitude of any members I've come across. I didn't go out of my way to make friends, but the players who I came across were polite and very kind (rare in this bracket), and I would recommend AP to anybody. Personally, I came to AP for the activity, to meet some bigwigs from TI etc, have a look at how US worked things.. Turns out it's pretty awesome and would really lose its edge if the members were to separate..

Don't let a few rotten bananas ruin the whole bunch

 

[iminibiv]

Not sure why this is even an issue. Why is there such resistance too the idea. These players obviously don't want to deal with the trolls that have infested the AP community. So they want a new sandbox to play in, what hurt does this cause anyone?

if they're working to fix AP in this new channel, then it's not an issue, i'm not resisting, and it doesn't hurt me

I don't need any restrictions affecting my gameplay

then don't play on a server founded with any gameplay restrictions in mind. isn’t that what you’re doing with thrall?

Why should you care if they choose to make their own little sandbox to play in? It is no business of yours.

who’s to say it’s not my business? i care because for all this has been made out to be a temporary deal, i see a majority of supporters saying things like this:

member of the new channel

It solves a common problem very simply. New channel. Will be great for those who need it.

In this transitional period people are going to want to let their friends know about the new channel

you'll have to switch between channels occasionally. This is used solely to update your friend list

provide people with a break

a new channel will be needed

trying to rebuild the main channel is not possible. This is just a 2nd channel for those who want to abide by the simple rules

I would've kept it between the people you know and trust

I will go where the people I like go, if they're in this new chat then I will be too

The fact of the matter is there are too many of them and too few of us

We have enough support to make "Oldschool" premades, and to me that is enough reason to have a new channel. Why try to convert the whole server when we have enough likeminded people to play our own premades?

We do not need 30+ people online for this to work.

Quality is better then Quantity.

Instead of trying a massive ban on the main channel just let it continue as it is. People can easily hop back and forth between channels so you can play both sides.

AP is big enough to have more then one premade, why force everyone into one channel and one set of rules?

What we really need is the ability to join and leave multiple channels. This way we can have private channels with our friends/premades

I feel that making a separate channel is a useful idea, with enforcing the rules unexceptionally in the new channel. If it catches on, the mature players can begin to migrate, leaving the trash behind

These players obviously don't want to deal with the trolls that have infested the AP community. So they want a new sandbox to play in, what hurt does this cause anyone? It sounds like you can still join them

more of a step back to catch your breath. As long as people abide by the rules people are more than welcome to take part

they choose to make their own little sandbox to play in

then look at the x2 addon thread (note the amount of support via likes):

For a large server like AP I think it would be nice for a group of friends to be able to have a place to chat outside the main channel.

Imagine if your about to set up a premade. Instead of asking on the main channel in which any random person can join, you could start by asking in your private channel to play with your friends.

that is clearly a split, NOT a temorary meeting to fix the damned community

 

[Rollop]

It just sounds like these guys don't want to play with people they don't like. Are you going to hound them and force them to do something they don't want to in the name of "community" You guys that seem to care are probably the ones they want to get away from.

 

[Yde]

Some very good points were made in this thread. And yet also some venomous replies to Activate, who has been trying very hard to keep AP respectable, maybe not in the most efficient way, but at times alone. If there are irregularities in what he (and I, and the other people who support this idea) stated it was out of a stifling sense of helplessness in keeping AP a great place.

I appreciate every opinion and idea in this thread, it shows how many people care, but coming down hard on Acti for an attempt to make things better is unfair, even if you don't think the attempt is the best approach.


A random thought I had after reading the last pages is that another approach we could try is indeed maintain the AP code of honor in the default channel and advise those who want to group with 24s and cuss to their heart's content to join a second channel. Remember, random thought, it's something I haven't thought through. ^^


Anyway, I'll be implementing Kochi's workaround in any case, to be able to help out in any channels that will exist on AP.

I hope we'll all take a lot of great ideas from this thread and that we will all sit in an awesome channel on AP soon. Then, even if you were one of the people against this idea, I hope each of us will think about Activate not as "the guy with the idea I didn't like" but as the person who saw the problem first, was the first and only one to persistently try and do something about it and set the stone rolling by posting on TI.


(I personally love that this has made us consider two channels, because no matter how this particular issue turns out, a separate channel for world events will be dead useful.)

 

[lolipopp]

Some very good points were made in this thread. And yet also some venomous replies to Activate, who has been trying very hard to keep AP respectable, maybe not in the most efficient way, but at times alone. If there are irregularities in what he (and I, and the other people who support this idea) stated it was out of a stifling sense of helplessness in keeping AP a great place.

I appreciate every opinion and idea in this thread, it shows how many people care, but coming down hard on Acti for an attempt to make things better is unfair, even if you don't think the attempt is the best approach.


A random thought I had after reading the last pages is that another approach we could try is indeed maintain the AP code of honor in the default channel and advise those who want to group with 24s and cuss to their heart's content to join a second channel. Remember, random thought, it's something I haven't thought through. ^^


Anyway, I'll be implementing Kochi's workaround in any case, to be able to help out in any channels that will exist on AP.

I hope we'll all take a lot of great ideas from this thread and that we will all sit in an awesome channel on AP soon. Then, even if you were one of the people against this idea, I hope each of us will think about Activate not as "the guy with the idea I didn't like" but as the person who saw the problem first, was the first and only one to persistently try and do something about it and set the stone rolling by posting on TI.


(I personally love that this has made us consider two channels, because no matter how this particular issue turns out, a separate channel for world events will be dead useful.)

i just lol'd.. was reading your post and saw you edit the spelling mistake just as i got to that word ><

 

[Yde]

i just lol'd.. was reading your post and saw you edit the spelling mistake just as i got to that word ><

Lol! Almost impeccable timing. >_>



Made a group so we don't clutter up the forum for all the people not interested in AP US.

[h=3]Lok'tar Mmmgar (Victory or Food)[/h]
Activate Kochist Rhaellia Yasueh
and @ everyone. Come discuss.

 

[iminibiv]

Some very good points were made in this thread. And yet also some venomous replies to Activate, who has been trying very hard to keep AP respectable, maybe not in the most efficient way, but at times alone. If there are irregularities in what he (and I, and the other people who support this idea) stated it was out of a stifling sense of helplessness in keeping AP a great place.
I appreciate every opinion and idea in this thread, it shows how many people care, but coming down hard on Acti for an attempt to make things better is unfair, even if you don't think the attempt is the best approach.
Then, even if you were one of the people against this idea, I hope each of us will think about Activate not as "the guy with the idea I didn't like" but as the person who saw the problem first, was the first and only one to persistently try and do something about it and set the stone rolling by posting on TI.

i understand that this was not addressed solely to me, but i will address it anyhow:

NOT. A . SINGLE. ONE. OF. MY. WORDS. TO. ACTIVATE. HAS. BEEN. INHERENTLY. VENOMOUS. NOT A SINGLE ONE WAS EVEN TYPED WITH VENOMOUS INTENT. any 'venom' is in the eye of the reader alone.

i do not know why anyone would think any irregularity in their argument would be above scrutiny. if you want your approach to be taken seriously, you should first take it seriously yourself.

it is unfair to me to think i should not come down hard on an approach which i do not think best. good intentions are not justification and do not hold anyone above scrutiny.

i am grateful to Activate for trying something, but that doesn't mean i will do nothing if i think what he is trying is wrong.

 

[Yde]

i understand that this was not addressed solely to me, but i will address it anyhow:

NOT. A . SINGLE. ONE. OF. MY. WORDS. TO. ACTIVATE. HAS. BEEN. INHERENTLY. VENOMOUS. NOT A SINGLE ONE WAS EVEN TYPED WITH VENOMOUS INTENT. any 'venom' is in the eye of the reader alone.

i do not know why anyone would think any irregularity in their argument would be above scrutiny. if you want your approach to be taken seriously, you should first take it seriously yourself.

it is unfair to me to think i should not come down hard on an approach which i do not think best. good intentions are not justification and do not hold anyone above scrutiny.

i am grateful to Activate for trying something, but that doesn't mean i will do nothing if i think what he is trying is wrong.

Wow, calm down please. ._.

That really wasn't intended to address anyone in particular, it was more my impression of the accumulated feedback for him. If some were more venomous than others I hoped to make them think about their righteous criticism, If I had wanted to single anyone out I'd have named people.

If made it sound otherwise / directed at you that was my mistake and not intended at all.

All caps look really intense to me by the way. D:

You made some really great points in the thread. Also intensity isn't a bad thing at all! Just want people to get involved. If you play on AP I'd love for you to get involved to make it more awesome, but please be kind while doing it.

 

[Neon]

1 channel for scum like me and 1 channel for the Catholic Pope, sounds good.

 

[iminibiv]

Wow, calm down please

that was what i believed to be the third case in which my clearly non-venomous posts were called venomous, and i responded with such emphasis because, frankly, i'm getting tired of it.

@iminivib
I don't get why you feel the need to pick apart every heated word in this thread with such venom

Come back when you don't feel like being an absolutely nasty, cynical person to everyone

this misplaced sensitivity has kept the emphasis on the perceived tone of my posts and not the actual content, and it is very frustrating and seemingly pointless to try to contribute to a discussion in these circumstances.

 

[Yde]

Well then you'll agree that everyone was just frustrated by misunderstandings all around.

People you tried to earnestly discuss with had probably been disillusioned by a lot of negativity and were sensitive. Misplaced or not doesn't really matter.

Being frustrated at accusations of venomous attacks for honest opinions is understandable.

I hope there are no hard feelings all around. ^^