Derpyslave
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This post has been deleted since I am no longer proud of the opinions made here. See the new post for my present opinion.
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My 20s Tier List for solo-queue BGs
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ohti
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Holy needs to be higher than shadow and shadow needs to be lower than both of the healing specs.
Asylum
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Chops
Soccer Dad
Loveto
Legend
What the...you must be new here.
Spammable slows, spammable CC's, massive damage output, affliction has healthstone and drain life and spell reflect, and arcane has alter time and counterspell. I'd rank arcane A tier and affliction B tier for solo queuing.glancealot
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in before everyone pointing out the class they main should be S tier.
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ohti
Guest
It's one of the best specs in the bracket atm. It's what it was in BFA but better.
Gandara
Veteran
Arcane has Alter Time now. The spec is more than fine, it deserves to be way way way higher. Alter is basically a free LoH. The damage isn't bad either, I don't know what kind of Arcane Mages you've been facing recently, but something tells me they were most certainly not very competent players.
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accel
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Ranking BM hunter on par with prot / ret palas is insane. BM is up there with other hunter specs. Ret is at least 1-2 notches lower. Prot is even lower. I'd put holy priest much lower than disc. Windwalker monk higher than what he is paired with. Arms warrior higher. Elemental shaman lower (elemental shaman as useful as disc priest? is someone kidding? where the heck are these great elementals anyway? I saw multiple, completely mediocre, enha was better - I guess that's my bad luck, but come on, the number of bgs I did is approaching 200 now, how unlucky could I be). Etc, etc, etc. Honestly, there are just too many changes I'd make to list them all. (Just saw: affliction near bottom? What??? Rogues as well??? Sorry, but... just no, this ranking is way too rough to be useful.)
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Billyballo
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Allow me to blunt, but know I mean no offense.
This list makes very little sense, and I feel the problem is in the premise and what you consider important in solo pugs bg.
The problem of not organized play:
- You may have no heals;
- You may have no dps;
- You may face a premade or a much heavier enemy team;
- You may have to do objective on your own (efc killing comes to mind when team decides to turtle). I would to add here, blaming randoms for doing random stuff is stupid. I saw so many twink healers guarding our fc and then blaming randoms for not helping me on efc. You should have known, you should have come. If I wasn't there, in another bg, you should have gone yourself;
- If no heals, or heavy ranged (and that's meta) melee that doesn't have heals or utility suffer A LOT.
Said this, I wouldn't make a list by spec, but I would do it by class and role, given that you can swich spec before game begins after you saw the enemy team. For example, you should never queue for bg as fire (you may enter when game already started), but if you see a premade on your side you could consider going fire since arcane is not going to be needed.
Said this - if somebody read this list to decide what to play, my humble opinion (I'm not a good player, but have all classes and only solo q) is this: the most complete class for solo q is dmg druid since it covers all the points I made before (feral over balance with the ilvl44 staff and gfd dmg enchant) and you can switch between the two specs if you get bored.
- Offheals (both specs with regrowth talent, if needed circle of flame for mana, elixir of sages instead of flask if you wanna try hard);
- poke and sustained dps (moonfire and rake for feral, everything for balance);
- burst (bite, 3 surges in eclipse);
- stealth, to better do objectives and try to have some fun even agaist premades.
Bonus points: you can queue as tank and swich to dps before bgs. Problem is if you get inside in the middle you are stuck.
Everything else suffers one way or another and it's not as flexible. To give you and example: MM better damage is not as valuable when you have good dps on your team but no heal, and suffers a lot against premades and much better teams.
Other than this, I feel that you don't really know a lot of classes you put there, but other people that main them are far more experienced than me when talking about them (jack of all alts, master of none).
This list makes very little sense, and I feel the problem is in the premise and what you consider important in solo pugs bg.
The problem of not organized play:
- You may have no heals;
- You may have no dps;
- You may face a premade or a much heavier enemy team;
- You may have to do objective on your own (efc killing comes to mind when team decides to turtle). I would to add here, blaming randoms for doing random stuff is stupid. I saw so many twink healers guarding our fc and then blaming randoms for not helping me on efc. You should have known, you should have come. If I wasn't there, in another bg, you should have gone yourself;
- If no heals, or heavy ranged (and that's meta) melee that doesn't have heals or utility suffer A LOT.
Said this, I wouldn't make a list by spec, but I would do it by class and role, given that you can swich spec before game begins after you saw the enemy team. For example, you should never queue for bg as fire (you may enter when game already started), but if you see a premade on your side you could consider going fire since arcane is not going to be needed.
Said this - if somebody read this list to decide what to play, my humble opinion (I'm not a good player, but have all classes and only solo q) is this: the most complete class for solo q is dmg druid since it covers all the points I made before (feral over balance with the ilvl44 staff and gfd dmg enchant) and you can switch between the two specs if you get bored.
- Offheals (both specs with regrowth talent, if needed circle of flame for mana, elixir of sages instead of flask if you wanna try hard);
- poke and sustained dps (moonfire and rake for feral, everything for balance);
- burst (bite, 3 surges in eclipse);
- stealth, to better do objectives and try to have some fun even agaist premades.
Bonus points: you can queue as tank and swich to dps before bgs. Problem is if you get inside in the middle you are stuck.
Everything else suffers one way or another and it's not as flexible. To give you and example: MM better damage is not as valuable when you have good dps on your team but no heal, and suffers a lot against premades and much better teams.
Other than this, I feel that you don't really know a lot of classes you put there, but other people that main them are far more experienced than me when talking about them (jack of all alts, master of none).
OP
OP
Derpyslave
Veteran
No offense taken. I like the criticism, let's me learn more about classes and specs I don't know much about. This is a casual list just for fun after all.
JadeFire
Worthless
@OP
You are just trying to put your top 10 wines in a list haphazardly... you need to put your top 10 wines of each type in a list, reds don't go in the same list as whites, etc... then your list wont look like you were outside, fell off a ladder cleaning your gutters and landed directly onto your fucking head, stumbled inside with a blood trickle coming out of your ear and decided to "post up."
Healer:
Tanks/FC:
DPS:
*Post why you think they are in a brief sentence (not a tactical report, just a note).
Edit: *A Wargames list will look different than a pug survival list
Edit: *A premade only players setup will be different than a puggers list
SUPER-D-DUPER Edit: *Don't forget to put a large section devoted to "if you have an i49 our not"... it should actually dwarf the main list in detail and importance... I would select a bolder font, possibly italics, also multiple colors to bring attention to the issues.
You are just trying to put your top 10 wines in a list haphazardly... you need to put your top 10 wines of each type in a list, reds don't go in the same list as whites, etc... then your list wont look like you were outside, fell off a ladder cleaning your gutters and landed directly onto your fucking head, stumbled inside with a blood trickle coming out of your ear and decided to "post up."
Healer:
Tanks/FC:
DPS:
*Post why you think they are in a brief sentence (not a tactical report, just a note).
Edit: *A Wargames list will look different than a pug survival list
Edit: *A premade only players setup will be different than a puggers list
SUPER-D-DUPER Edit: *Don't forget to put a large section devoted to "if you have an i49 our not"... it should actually dwarf the main list in detail and importance... I would select a bolder font, possibly italics, also multiple colors to bring attention to the issues.
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Chainz
DND
lmfao
accel
Member
OP, I think there is no chance at a sane list of that type.
I mean, there are different planes with solo vs non-solo. There is a question as to how useful the strict-solo plane even is. I mean, fine, you queue solo, cool, great. I also do that. This doesn't mean I don't get to play as part of a team. Eg, there is frequently a healer, also queuing solo, and I have been lucky to have competent ones. When there is such a healer - or a good dps - I am playing with them and they are doing the same. It's true that there might not be anyone to play with, but there frequently is. The list that insists on there being no healer (or no dps for a healer) whatsoever is a pretty dull one. It's basically just stealth so that you can pick your fights. Finally, there are differences of opinion even now regarding the relative power of the specs, with just one page.
If you are looking for some type of a categorization, I'd suggest the simple: playable / not very playable with some notes regarding who's doing especially great in the first category.
With this, my list would be:
Barely playable / situational: dh (all specs), dk (all specs), maybe some rogue specs, fire / frost mage (although I am freely admitting that maybe this is wrong, I just didn't see much), maybe demo warlock, probably tanks (prot warrior, guardian druid ...although not sure about this one, brewmaster monk, prot pala is kind of fine).
Absolutely playable: everybody else with hunters and disc priest / holy paladin being kind of op.
I mean, there are different planes with solo vs non-solo. There is a question as to how useful the strict-solo plane even is. I mean, fine, you queue solo, cool, great. I also do that. This doesn't mean I don't get to play as part of a team. Eg, there is frequently a healer, also queuing solo, and I have been lucky to have competent ones. When there is such a healer - or a good dps - I am playing with them and they are doing the same. It's true that there might not be anyone to play with, but there frequently is. The list that insists on there being no healer (or no dps for a healer) whatsoever is a pretty dull one. It's basically just stealth so that you can pick your fights. Finally, there are differences of opinion even now regarding the relative power of the specs, with just one page.
If you are looking for some type of a categorization, I'd suggest the simple: playable / not very playable with some notes regarding who's doing especially great in the first category.
With this, my list would be:
Barely playable / situational: dh (all specs), dk (all specs), maybe some rogue specs, fire / frost mage (although I am freely admitting that maybe this is wrong, I just didn't see much), maybe demo warlock, probably tanks (prot warrior, guardian druid ...although not sure about this one, brewmaster monk, prot pala is kind of fine).
Absolutely playable: everybody else with hunters and disc priest / holy paladin being kind of op.
toskosa
Grandfathered
idk I would make an S tier and put all 3 hunter specs into it, the class is just that strong imo after all this is random solo que. The amount of tools and damage hunters have is just a tier above everyone else from a strictly solo que perspective.
I would probably go with something like
S- all hunters
A- Hpally,disc,Amage,Rshammy
B- Rdruid,hpriest,Bdruid,Rpally,Awarrior,Eshammy,Spriest
C- Rogue*,Ppally,Eshammy,DestroW,AfflicW,WW,Mw,FrostMage
Everything else I consider d or lower, or I simply have not seen them/played them enough to really have an opinion.
* all three rogue specs are pretty equal imo with sub being the worse of the three to me.
Mw monks c tier? personal opinion I feel like without a dispel they get a lower placing, maybe c is too low though they have good healing.
Keep in mind I consider C tier to be average and def playable/niche roles. Rshammy and Bdruids get a bad rap here lately for some reason, I think they are great specs maybe ppl have been spoiled by bfa? I could be swayed to move rdruid to c tier as well but I am just bad at the class overall so I figured a good one would make it b tier idk.
I would probably go with something like
S- all hunters
A- Hpally,disc,Amage,Rshammy
B- Rdruid,hpriest,Bdruid,Rpally,Awarrior,Eshammy,Spriest
C- Rogue*,Ppally,Eshammy,DestroW,AfflicW,WW,Mw,FrostMage
Everything else I consider d or lower, or I simply have not seen them/played them enough to really have an opinion.
* all three rogue specs are pretty equal imo with sub being the worse of the three to me.
Mw monks c tier? personal opinion I feel like without a dispel they get a lower placing, maybe c is too low though they have good healing.
Keep in mind I consider C tier to be average and def playable/niche roles. Rshammy and Bdruids get a bad rap here lately for some reason, I think they are great specs maybe ppl have been spoiled by bfa? I could be swayed to move rdruid to c tier as well but I am just bad at the class overall so I figured a good one would make it b tier idk.
ZenwØw
Veteran
@Derpyslave UR LIST WAS YUMMY
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I think this is much more realistic. The only tweak is I would probably put Hpally in with the hunters (if you take away a Hunter's pocket heals its not beating a holy pala). The damage/healing instant cast output is ridiculous.
