Looks like the DF ilvl changes are up on the PTR....

[JadeFire]

It did only take blizzard 1 month (?) maybe less to fix all of the shadowlands broken helmets etc... the artifact weapons were around much longer because of the coding issues it took to fix the slots. Hopefully we see that quick of a resolution on the ToC gear... it seems cool, but it will just be trash for games and just rewards time spent over any other factor... which is always bad no matter what nonsense logic anybody wants to cough up.

 

[Hashbrowns]

I looked around a bit on PTR, here is what I saw FOR 20s:

Green drop = ilvl 39, req 14
Green quest item = Did not check
ilvl 28 Green = ilvl 52
Heirloom = ilvl 54
Artifact (glitched) = ilvl 54
Artifact with a blue relic applied = ilvl 54
Blues = ilvl 61
Epics (classic) = ilvl 87
NEW DROP Blue from RFC = ilvl 89, req 30

I entered Mechanar and RFC just fine. Mobs scaled to 20. Power level felt the same if not better (prot pally). Glitched Naga Hide was proccing 308 bubble iirc. Paj Med still stupid OP for PvE. A green dropped and scaled, like you'd expect, req lvl 14. Boss drops on the other hand... same in bag once looted, could not equip:

I don’t know if they fix the dungeon enter req or the loot but I can’t see it staying like this.

 

[orcgazmatron]

I looked around a bit on PTR, here is what I saw FOR 20s:

Green drop = ilvl 39, req 14
Green quest item = Did not check
ilvl 28 Green = ilvl 52
Heirloom = ilvl 54
Artifact (glitched) = ilvl 54
Artifact with a blue relic applied = ilvl 54
Blues = ilvl 61
Epics (classic) = ilvl 87
NEW DROP Blue from RFC = ilvl 89, req 30

I entered Mechanar and RFC just fine. Mobs scaled to 20. Power level felt the same if not better (prot pally). Glitched Naga Hide was proccing 308 bubble iirc. Paj Med still stupid OP for PvE. A green dropped and scaled, like you'd expect, req lvl 14. Boss drops on the other hand... same in bag once looted, could not equip:

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I don’t know if they fix the dungeon enter req or the loot but I can’t see it staying like this.

The Equip level bug cannot possibly be intended. They've gotta unfuck that.
thank you for the details on your drops, & for the Naga HIde mention too.... I've been curious about that enchant & have used it on squishy leveling toons. Glad to hear it's working for twinks now.

 

[Goohd]

I have a crazy conspiracy theory that blizz is making new f2p max lvl up to 30 and interacting with chromie time requires lvl 30
to match the change.

Just a crazy thought

 

[Warglave]

I have a crazier one that blizz just moved them out of leveling BGs until launch so they'd go pout and not farm the OP grandfathered gear.... but that's just mine. I do like yours better.... but it still doenst make sense for the whole game.

To not even be able to choose to walk into a old dungeon for gear before completing, what now, shadowlands?

The ONLY way I could make sense of it is to combat low level twinks, but I'd figure them more ignored than anything.

edit- i would love 30 as the new free cap tho, SO MUCH BETTER having those few extra abilities....

 

[JadeFire]

I still fail to believe that Blizzard even cares about low level twinking at all. It is and traditionally has been just unimportant. Fixing item levels that are broken are more just about not having the game look stupid to a new possible long term gamer that is going to pay a sub, nothing to do with combating twinks at any level.

Blizzard does not care bout the lets say 1000 people MAX that were FTP... they know those people would rather just not play the game than have to pay... or they know those people don't even have the money to pay... it's unimportant to them from any actual financial perspective to even be concerned in ANY... fucking ANY... regard for those 1000 free loaders.

You may think that 1000 FTP x $15/mo sub (or even less if you sub for a year, etc) = $15,000 a month matters to actifision/microsoft/blizzard... you are a fucking fool if you do... that is not even going to show up as a blip on a stockholder report. You have to be INSANE to think any consideration monetarily that FTP/twinking is on Blizzards radar at all.

Just like at the start of Shadowlands... they only fixed those broken items that were dropping because it made the game look stupid... not because twinks that had them were beating up other twinks that did not.

The only other acceptable explanation for anything effecting twinking is that some developers twink secretly... and then they just allow stuff like grandfathered gear etc. That is just more tin-foil-hat conspiracy shit tho, where you always have some rando-piece-o-shit who claims to know a guy that works for blizzard that has an inside scoop.

 

[glancealot]

I have a crazy conspiracy theory that blizz is making new f2p max lvl up to 30 and interacting with chromie time requires lvl 30
to match the change.

Just a crazy thought

i think this is the most reasonable explanation actually.

no one is running those old raids (besides people who want mount/mog), they noticed.

 

[chelly]

I have a crazy conspiracy theory that blizz is making new f2p max lvl up to 30 and interacting with chromie time requires lvl 30
to match the change.

Just a crazy thought

inb4 all the 39 “mains” show up

 

[Warglave]

inb4 all the 39 “mains” show up

FYI that's the level that 98-9 PvE twinks from legion are now after the squish... but you all go ahead and keep thinking everyone that has a X9 toon made it just for you - nothing shocking about the self-absorption on display here of late as it is.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/uldum/nôk
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/uldum/prot
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/uldum/rawglaive
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/uldum/boomstyk

...and looks like I have 6 more at least just scanning over the armory list. That i didnt already level elsewhere.

Yup, but every bracket is just about you.

 

[chelly]

FYI that's the level that 98-9 PvE twinks from legion are now after the squish... but you all go ahead and keep thinking everyone that has a X9 toon made it just for you - nothing shocking about the self-absorption on display here of late as it is.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/uldum/nôk
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/uldum/prot
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/uldum/rawglaive
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/uldum/boomstyk

...and looks like I have 6 more at least just scanning over the armory list. That i didnt already level elsewhere.

Yup, but every bracket is just about you.

ah right. They’re probably busy building their community

 

[Warglave]

ah right. They’re probably busy building their community

Keep talking about 39 like you have a clue, lol. Just inb4 "no 39 ever existed before we came to the bracket" like 29.

My god this place just keeps getting better....

edit-

You're smart enough to know forum activity != bracket life. retail 39s are nonexistent on these forums and ran the biggest and most successful arena tournament of the xpac.

 

[Jointser]

Keep talking about 39 like you have a clue, lol. Just inb4 "no 39 ever existed before we came to the bracket" like 29.

My god this place just keeps getting better....

edit-

What are you talking about? former 70 twinks never ever existed... i didn't have any in any expansion! oh wait...

 

[toskosa]

That 39 tourny was the coolest thing xpoff players have done in years lol.

These lvl reqs for rfc and such cant be intended lol, also the ilvl reqs on old enchants have to be risen or it makes no sense to even have them anymore.

 

[Warglave]

also the ilvl reqs on old enchants have to be risen or it makes no sense to even have them anymore.

This especially, tho someone here guessed they may be phasing them out in favor of more easily balanced newer ones... cant argue that too much, just cant see them abandoning that much content on a whim. So much needs fixing it's unreal.

 

[toskosa]

This especially, tho someone here guessed they may be phasing them out in favor of more easily balanced newer ones... cant argue that too much, just cant see them abandoning that much content on a whim. So much needs fixing it's unreal.

With how close we are to this coming out it makes no sense to me the state its all in. How hard could it be to just up the ilvl req to under df content? why are low level dungeons dropping lvl 30 req gear? why are different xpacs giving different ilvl loot? like everything is so completly all over the place.

I expected a tiny bit more from blizzard on this one idk I guess I was expecting too much rofl what a fricking mess. I am not even bothering farming before prepatch this is all just too stupid for me right now. Ill gear up after it launches and I have an actual idea of what my feet are standing on.

 

[JadeFire]

It will be nonsense chaos for 6 months, till blizzard finds all of the mistakes... it does not matter if its 20s 29s or 39s.. will there be a few pieces of grandfathered gear that make clowns better than they should be... sure... TFB.

Just plan on 6 months of fighting against some halfwit in 112 or 50+ ToC gear while you have nothing... just mentally prepare yourself and you won't have an issue... or just take a 6 month break... unfortunately sometimes that does not work either, I took a break in shadowlands after I got tired of the i49 shit rewarding fat kids for being lucky... to come right back into every medical-moron abusing the broken crusader... so you never know what is gonna happen.

If you don't get the ToC gear its just gonna be like it was in SL... where every halfwit gimp just says "sorry brah we told you!"... and fucks up the bracket with OP gear under the pretense that getting gear supersedes being a shit bag.

 

[Warglave]

I dont think dungeon gear will be awful in comparison, i think it's like 86 or something, with sockets? I could check but I dont much care enough to, lol. I think that level 29 running around in level 50 gear is just bad planning (or lack of it).

The gap between high and low in most brackets will be offset by the fact that it only takes 40 mins to level through it.

Unless someone stops XP and gears then likely BoA will be the best gear in the brackets sub-50 or 60. In XP -ON.

So it isnt really a big deal as long as ALL the locked toons are together.... leveling games will work themselves out.

Not an unreasonable conclusion, should Blizz have cared enough to get that far.

If you don't get the ToC gear

If ToC gear was remotely hard to get you might have a point... it's a 4 minute room with an epic loot vending machine.

Locked xp has no excuse, that's the whole point of locking XP....

 

[Jointser]

This especially, tho someone here guessed they may be phasing them out in favor of more easily balanced newer ones... cant argue that too much, just cant see them abandoning that much content on a whim. So much needs fixing it's unreal.

Actually the enchants are balanced right now. there is no such thing as completely overpowered enchants anymore. it doesn't make sense to (basically) delete any enchants up to bfa. because you can still learn enchants and disenchant from older expansion but cannot use the learned enchants? sounds like blizz just fucked up again

 

[Dragpz]

I still fail to believe that Blizzard even cares about low level twinking at all. It is and traditionally has been just unimportant. Fixing item levels that are broken are more just about not having the game look stupid to a new possible long term gamer that is going to pay a sub, nothing to do with combating twinks at any level.

Blizzard does not care bout the lets say 1000 people MAX that were FTP... they know those people would rather just not play the game than have to pay... or they know those people don't even have the money to pay... it's unimportant to them from any actual financial perspective to even be concerned in ANY... fucking ANY... regard for those 1000 free loaders.

You may think that 1000 FTP x $15/mo sub (or even less if you sub for a year, etc) = $15,000 a month matters to actifision/microsoft/blizzard... you are a fucking fool if you do... that is not even going to show up as a blip on a stockholder report. You have to be INSANE to think any consideration monetarily that FTP/twinking is on Blizzards radar at all.

Just like at the start of Shadowlands... they only fixed those broken items that were dropping because it made the game look stupid... not because twinks that had them were beating up other twinks that did not.

The only other acceptable explanation for anything effecting twinking is that some developers twink secretly... and then they just allow stuff like grandfathered gear etc. That is just more tin-foil-hat conspiracy shit tho, where you always have some rando-piece-o-shit who claims to know a guy that works for blizzard that has an inside scoop.

My conspiracy theory is that they've learned from the last time there was broken stuff in the bracket and found out that most of the people abusing broken gear were F2Ps/Vets queuing into levelers and causing massive amounts of bug reports from those levelers. This time, they've sent the F2Ps/Vets into their own bracket with 29s so there's less reports, and levelers can avoid being smacked on by people with ilvl 59 artifact weapons dunking on everyone. So now there's gonna be the same amount broken garbage, but less bug reports from paying customers

 

[Warglave]

So some personal testing with that 29 hunter I been screwing around with... seems to be much more important to be an epic item than rare with proper stats, as in mastery. Using rare items with mastery to replace epic armor slots without mastery on them basically resulted in a net loss of damage. Hunter-specific, not sure about other classes... not gonna farm a ton more crap at 29.

Just common sense stuff, but verifying it for myself. Speaking of, also might be an issue with belt buckles, socketed a belt prior to copying a character over and forgot to gem it.... could not gem it after. Just said "enchanted: socket belt" on the belt with no socket to gem. Gear is too high after so dont forget, lol. Gems socketed before copy showed up fine.