EU+US Legion Invasion

[Purj]

Yeah. But 24 iLvl increases your avg. iLvl more than 23 iLvl does. Hence why they'll be BiS. A lot of people believe that the item needs to be above iLvl 24 to give you stats in PvP which is just wrong.

To add to this, its good for clothies that need bracers, etc. Some classes dont have an ilvl 24 item for a certain slot.

 

[Mvq]

To add to this, its good for clothies that need bracers, etc. Some classes dont have an ilvl 24 item for a certain slot.

That's my point. =D

 

[Purj]

That's my point. =D

Just clarifying your reasoning for the young tinks!

 

[Kageroo]

Can someone link all the available invasion gear because on my rogue i only kept getting chest legs feet belt and hands.

http://legion.wowhead.com/items/name:fel-chain/min-level:700/max-level:700 Items for hunter (should be same slots for other classes). Weapons drop as well..

 

[SPQR]

Cool look for lower levels. Shoulders look ballz deep.

 

[Snowjobs]

ye i know this, but u get more stats if ur average item lvl is increased by 10? meaning u would need to be above 34,44,54 etc to gain more stats? So having 34 ilvl and 41 ilvl would be the same or no?

yes
you are given base stats when entering a bg.

the stats on your gear ( stam, int, agi, ect. ) mean nothing. only ilvl matters.

ilvl increases the base stats blizz gives you.

The question is, does ilvl's benefit work on a breakpoint system or linearly. I am down to test this out if anyone want to hit me up on ptr. bendandcough#1653

 

[Mvq]

yes
you are given base stats when entering a bg.

the stats on your gear ( stam, int, agi, ect. ) mean nothing. only ilvl matters.

ilvl increases the base stats blizz gives you.

The question is, does ilvl's benefit work on a breakpoint system or linearly. I am down to test this out if anyone want to hit me up on ptr. bendandcough#1653

Yes, you only gain increased percentages after ~18 iLvl. at lvl 19.

 

[Efflux]

Yes, you only gain increased percentages after ~18 iLvl. at lvl 19.

Question is if the ilevels/base stats we can get above the "average" player would matter.

I mean, if it's going to be a 1, 2 or 3 shot fest like it's been lately, won't a twink vs. non-twink in BG's not matter at all, and basically everybody is on a even playing field? - I get that it wasn't fun in Vanilla, TBC and the start of WOTLK to be a non-twink playing against twinks, but if everybody literally have the same stats now, is there any reason to play and gear twinks if they're going to perform on the same level as people leveling?

That's my biggest concern, the fact that someone which doesn't give a fuck about his items, enchants and so forth is going to be able to perform just as well as I am which have put many hundred if not thousand hours into it.

 

[Gokku]

Question is if the ilevels/base stats we can get above the "average" player would matter.

I mean, if it's going to be a 1, 2 or 3 shot fest like it's been lately, won't a twink vs. non-twink in BG's not matter at all, and basically everybody is on a even playing field? - I get that it wasn't fun in Vanilla, TBC and the start of WOTLK to be a non-twink playing against twinks, but if everybody literally have the same stats now, is there any reason to play and gear twinks if they're going to perform on the same level as people leveling?

That's my biggest concern, the fact that someone which doesn't give a duck about his items, enchants and so forth is going to be able to perform just as well as I am which have put many hundred if not thousand hours into it.

thats the reason why all the twinks r freaking out and quitting when legion comes

 

[Efflux]

thats the reason why all the twinks r freaking out and quitting when legion comes

Gotcha, was just making sure I wasn't missing something. Because if this is the case I probably won't play my twinks.

 

[Blackout]

Gotcha, was just making sure I wasn't missing something. Because if this is the case I probably won't play my twinks.

Might be a co-incidence, but are you efflux aka vess?

 

[tomxoqt]

Stop being faggots and play the game. No need to rely on superior gear to do well, rely on your skill

 

[Efflux]

Stop being flowers and play the game. No need to rely on superior gear to do well, rely on your skill

This has nothing to do about being flowers. This is about the fact that I like that twinking actually required a good amount of money, farming or some form of theorycrafting in how to get certain things which wasn't intended to be gotten at that level. I understand that skill matters and it's a big part of it, but I sure as hell like when I could distinguish twinks from non-twinks and casual twinks to seasoned twinks which actually have put a decent amount of gold or hours into their character. Twinking for me, since day 1 have always been about getting the most out of your character and as much as skill had something to do with this, the min-maxing of gear, enchants and such was part of it as well.

 

[Snowjobs]

This has nothing to do about being flowers. This is about the fact that I like that twinking actually required a good amount of money, farming or some form of theorycrafting in how to get certain things which wasn't intended to be gotten at that level. I understand that skill matters and it's a big part of it, but I sure as hell like when I could distinguish twinks from non-twinks and casual twinks to seasoned twinks which actually have put a decent amount of gold or hours into their character. Twinking for me, since day 1 have always been about getting the most out of your character and as much as skill had something to do with this, the min-maxing of gear, enchants and such was part of it as well.

to be honest there will still be a decent amount of distinction for people that want it. You can still be a arcane bomb spamming asshat if you want to, or use as many free action potions and other consumables should you feel like it. i garuntee you nobody will have engineering lvled up to the point where they can spam mortars till they are blue in the face. most ppl lvling through the brackets wont have AGM's.

I see most brackets becoming similar to the f2p bracket was in cata. You had dedicated ppl who put in work to get the +1 damage on their weapon and then you have the jaja thats just playing his belf prot pally because he has some weird obsession i don't understand. Is there a HUGE difference gear wise between a known f2p and señor paladino ? Not Really, But you can tell the difference.

 

[Dramatized]

you can't use consumables or agm in bgs tho?

 

[Holythane]

you can't use consumables or agm in bgs tho?

So far i think people have said consumables are usable, agm on the other hand does not work as it is a piece of gear.

 

[DeLindsay]

Question is if the ilevels/base stats we can get above the "average" player would matter.

I mean, if it's going to be a 1, 2 or 3 shot fest like it's been lately, won't a twink vs. non-twink in BG's not matter at all, and basically everybody is on a even playing field? - I get that it wasn't fun in Vanilla, TBC and the start of WOTLK to be a non-twink playing against twinks, but if everybody literally have the same stats now, is there any reason to play and gear twinks if they're going to perform on the same level as people leveling?

That's my biggest concern, the fact that someone which doesn't give a duck about his items, enchants and so forth is going to be able to perform just as well as I am which have put many hundred if not thousand hours into it.

If a Non-Twink who hasn't spent hundreds or thousands of hours on his/her Toon honing their skills is capable of performing as well as you, having spent all that time doing the same then yes, you should quit Twinking altogether because you're bad.

Point is in ~24 hours, especially in the 10-19 Bracket, Twinks will only have at BEST 1-3 Main Stat, 1-6 stam, 1-3 Armor, etc over filthy Casuals or Levelers or Common Plebeians and that has a good 75% of the 19 Community losing their shit, which us 10's find hilarious.

However, those that don't Twink won't know all the tricks, Jumps, Exploits, etc that twinks know in BG's. They won't likely be in Vent, TS or w/e with other Twinks in a Pre-made with proper tactics. Likely, they won't have even played the Class they're on while moving from 10 > 20 and beyond more than a few hours and will have little to know idea wtf they're even doing, let alone how to properly play said Class in a PvP environment, like Twinks do.

Besides, you could always Twink 10's for Legion as we're set to be stupid OP again like we were up through WotLK. It's going to be tons fun watching 19's in Duels hitting 10's for 1-5 damage per attack

 

[Efflux]

If a Non-Twink who hasn't spent hundreds or thousands of hours on his/her Toon honing their skills is capable of performing as well as you, having spent all that time doing the same then yes, you should quit Twinking altogether because you're bad.

I think it was quite obvious that I meant in terms of gear and not skill. All of us here, know that the average twink would be performing better overall, just because of the sheer knowledge and time used in the lower brackets.

 

[DeLindsay]

That's my biggest concern, the fact that someone which doesn't give a duck about his items, enchants and so forth is going to be able to perform just as well as I am which have put many hundred if not thousand hours into it.

I'll point to this part of your full post that I quoted above. While you mention Gear you still aren't making it "quite obvious" that you mean ONLY Gear and NOT Skill. And to reiterate my point, if a brand new Player, new to his/her Class, Leveling through the 10-19 Bracket is capable of performing as well as you JUST because your Stats/Gear are basically equal to theirs that means you have ZERO Skill. If however, you have all the Skills you would expect a Person who has devoted "hundreds if not thousands of hours into it" would have, then your entire comment is moot because those new Players would be considerably inferior to you as a long term Twink, negating your concern.

 

[DeLindsay]

Official response about Legion Invasions and when they start can be read HERE.

TL;DR: The Invasion starts in August, no later than the 17th.