Is 20-29 (and retail in general) twinking dying?

[YouMayBeSeated]

to maybe give you a little more hope...

often, large changes to the bracket are accompanied by a week or two of "holy shit this damage is out of control" because the rhythm of the gameplay is radically changed from what we're used to. But as players adjust to the new gameplay, it starts to even back out. There's gonna be a lot of "whoa, wait, they can do THAT!?" moments for a while as people get used to what classes have what abilities with the new talent trees.

Give everyone a month or so to settle into new abilities/rotations and then of course new gear and such to really see how its gonna play out. And of course, then another couple weeks as the gear changes over and over again.

Yeah I’m holding onto some optimism but it’s not looking good. Just some examples of classes I’m actually familiar with and their insta kill cooldowns…

MM Hunter - Double Tap w/ a Buffed Arcane Shot

Enh Shaman - Doom Winds

Demon Hunter

I’m hoping the increased health pools balance things out. It’s still pretty early it’s only half the patch. I haven’t done much with many classes yet but those 3 in particular can insta kill anything in less than 3 seconds if they have their CD’s

 

[Zemmix]

Surely as an actuary, you should have a better understanding on the ebbs and flows of life (virtual and not) than us, Glance.

So, tell us, is WoW dying?

 

[glancealot]

Surely as an actuary, you should have a better understanding on the ebbs and flows of life (virtual and not) than us, Glance.

So, tell us, is WoW dying?

that's like saying, as a doctor, surely you can tell if this person has breast cancer

when you are an ophthalmologist.

 

[porkkebab]

If you got 2 24 hunters, the game was unplayable.

You played alliance, didnt you

 

[Zemmix]

that's like saying, as a doctor, surely you can tell if this person has breast cancer

when you are an ophthalmologist.

Not really.

It boils down to data, numbers, and money. That's different than evaluating biopsies and ultrasounds.

Someone in a quant field evaluating something in terms of data and numbers is pretty par the course, no? I have full confidence you could run a table and do an excel sheet on this.

 

[Pexela]

You played alliance, didnt you

Both. I was maining a goblin shaman back then, it was incredibly fun, but i still have vietnam flashbacks from the Worgen Hunters darkflighting the mid of WSG while 6s cd Explosive Shots and 4s cd Conc Shots came flying at our faces. I played some Ally but i wasn't much into it.

 

[coolbank]

retail twinking for me died around wod thus why i haven been completely inactive on retail since then playing osrs/nost and now classic because when 1s/10s/19s lost a lot of power it become boring as fuck

 

[toskosa]

Do you buy the theory that garrison has something to do with it?

Seems a bit sketchy but idk, I have done several runs since an I usually net 2 warforges per run but sometimes I get 0

 

[arklow]

From my point of view, to improve the queues to enter Bgs, blizzard should implement that the premade system is only accessible from lvl 50, and in the waiting times, enable the balance of groups by interspersing players from each faction, For example, if there is 1 queue horde and 3 in the alliance, the system would balance adjusting that remaining player to the horde to get 2vs2. Because one of the reasons why people no longer find it attractive to play at lvl 20 -29 is because it's frustrating to play against broken classes like 2 or 3 hunters MM/Warlocks/Mages +pocket heal. With these improve system, even 20's player can be save playing with 29 in their teams.
P.D, sorry for google translate.

 

[Chops]

blizzard should implement that the premade system is only accessible from lvl 50

The way to combat premades is not to disallow premades, but to make friends and run your own premades.

 

[Warglave]

The way to combat premades is not to disallow premades, but to make friends and run your own premades.

I guess then that's the same way to combat 29's.... make your own. Good advice.

 

[arklow]

The way to combat premades is not to disallow premades, but to make friends and run your own premades.

I dont know if you play in EU or US, but for my experience, for every 1 horde twink bg, there are 3 or 4 in alliance side, so, it is impossible to see new twinks or people in the horde with the intention of playing twinks, on the contrary, what you see in the horde are pure people leveling chars, who abandon the bgs in the first minute.
Do you really see the need to play with 4 other players just to abuse the opposing faction? I say it again, it is best to put a random grouping system, which mixes both factions and does not allow targeting as premade until lvl 50.

 

[Warglave]

Do you really see the need to play with 4 other players just to abuse the opposing faction?

Yes, for the most part, it seems they pretty much do. Always been that way tho in twinking. The whole part about "make your own premade" is if you dont happen to face one then you're the dicks there to faceroll.

Always been that way tho, "when I do it, it's a good thing... when others do, its evil."

 

[Chops]

Do you really see the need to play with 4 other players just to abuse the opposing faction?

I not only need to play with others (im not particularly good at the game) but i want to. I have friends i enjoy playing with. I assume other people do as well.

whats next? If a team goes up one cap, block them from chatting so they can’t coordinate? Make it so two rogues on the same team cant open on the same target? Force the EFC to stand still after 6 stacks so you don’t have to communicate with your team where they are?

they arent doing anything you cant also do.

 

[coolbank]

i mean is anyone surprised ive been vocal for years about premades vs pugs killing brackets and the whole "gy containment (it was gy camping no matter how you phrase it)" days in 19s brackets back in cata with people who i will not be naming and fotm re rollers and general toxicity of things thus why i stopped twinking in brackets completely no one enjoys getting the short end of the stick and being farmed day to day
and it just so happened that when 19s died f2p were the next target thus why f2p players have issues with p2p/vets people who are sitting ducks will only que for awhile until it becomes premade private wargames vs others and then you dont have a bracket at all

 

[arklow]

EMM, do you think these is rbg? do you think you actually need to coordinate with another player to kill a fc, when a hunter can kill it in 1 shot?, Need a coordinate plane for camp graveyard?, ah no, that already happens. All is about balance, coz now, there are not. So, enjoy now minwhile the peopel are leveling new tons just for teast the tree spec class, later you go back to 25 min queue, but eh ! ! ! you can enjoy smelted peopel that few time.

 

[coolbank]

EMM, do you think these is rbg? do you think you actually need to coordinate with another player to kill a fc, when a hunter can kill it in 1 shot?, Need a coordinate plane for camp graveyard?, ah no, that already happens. All is about balance, coz now, there are not. So, enjoy now minwhile the peopel are leveling new tons just for teast the tree spec class, later you go back to 25 min queue, but eh ! ! ! you can enjoy smelted peopel that few time.

from what i heard this bracket is basically coordinating ques so basically yes it is a rbg meanwhile on classic wrath i can go que on certain brackets without coordinating and boom i get pug games
coordinating ques means the bracket is dead there is also a lot of other factors that have killed this bracket that i didnt mention aka slot machine gearing which im pretty sure no one here enjoys

 

[arklow]

from what i heard this bracket is basically coordinating ques so basically yes it is a rbg meanwhile on classic wrath i can go que on certain brackets without coordinating and boom i get pug games
coordinating ques means the bracket is dead there is also a lot of other factors that have killed this bracket that i didnt mention aka slot machine gearing which im pretty sure no one here enjoys

You can play as if it's an rbg if the opposing team is another premade, but that doesn't happen, because like i said before, for every twink player in the horde, there are 4 in the alliance. I suppose that people will be happy when they separate the brackets from just twink vs. twink, which in that case, the queues will never jump or will be eternal because on the side of the horde (EU) there are not as many players as in the alliance.

 

[Chops]

do you think you actually need to coordinate with another player to kill a fc, when a hunter can kill it in 1 shot

If you dont need coordination and a single player can solo an FC, then im unsure premades offer enough of an advantage to require banning.

 

[arklow]

If you dont need coordination and a single player can solo an FC, then im unsure premades offer enough of an advantage to require banning.

Well, 1 hunter twink, vs 1 druid twink FC, go in camouflage doubletap+aimed = deleted druid, so, now you can imagine the same mechanics with a non-twink player, he doesn't need the doubletap, just need 1 aimed.

So let's be honest, you prefer that we return to the system before the bracket separated from just twink vs twink with the respective eternal queues (if it jumped).