Lateraldrop
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although that is numerically correct, it doesn't really work like that.
hunters being sabotaged?
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accel
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It works exactly like that exactly because it is correct.
The most imbalanced thing is 1v1. Ask yourself why.
Then again, maybe you mean something else. I'll wait for you to explain. No rush.
Lateraldrop
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Yes, it is correct. No, it doesnt work like that. I will edit this post to explain in what way our opinions differ when i have time this afternoon.
So the reason why it doesn't really work like that is because 1 more CD is more valuable to someone who has a CD already than someone who does not. It would be like giving 500 dollars to someone who is bwhind on rent vs giving 500 dollars to someone who doesn't need money. Only one of them gets to go to Disney world. As an example I play paladin and use bomb belt so that I can have an interupt. To kill a healer 1 interrupt w my dmg is often not close to enough so I throw a stun on top. In this way the interupt only becomes really effective because I can pair it with another cc. CC abilities are notoriously more powerful the more you have available. A warrior has no interupt so an effective bomb has to interior a heal and usually has to be a particular heal (too early and it won't be effective.) Hunter has silance shot and frost trap to pair with bomb so that they almost always have effective ways to chain cc by themselves. The power that bomb gives is actually then allot more effective for hunter than other classess.
Thats what I mean by it not quite working that way. I'll concede that it might close the gap a little bit but very little because the uptime of available cooldowns dictates how a player can navigate a game allot.
So the reason why it doesn't really work like that is because 1 more CD is more valuable to someone who has a CD already than someone who does not. It would be like giving 500 dollars to someone who is bwhind on rent vs giving 500 dollars to someone who doesn't need money. Only one of them gets to go to Disney world. As an example I play paladin and use bomb belt so that I can have an interupt. To kill a healer 1 interrupt w my dmg is often not close to enough so I throw a stun on top. In this way the interupt only becomes really effective because I can pair it with another cc. CC abilities are notoriously more powerful the more you have available. A warrior has no interupt so an effective bomb has to interior a heal and usually has to be a particular heal (too early and it won't be effective.) Hunter has silance shot and frost trap to pair with bomb so that they almost always have effective ways to chain cc by themselves. The power that bomb gives is actually then allot more effective for hunter than other classess.
Thats what I mean by it not quite working that way. I'll concede that it might close the gap a little bit but very little because the uptime of available cooldowns dictates how a player can navigate a game allot.
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Magrain
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That still proves that hunters have more utilities counting with the profession ones too.
All classes can get glider/belt/bomb etc as utilities sure, but that still doesnt mean everything is balanced, you now add what hunters have as a base line foundation, meaning now they have both profession utilities and their basic ones. The odds are still towards the Hunter's favor, 8-10 making it 10-12 is still the exact same. However, at this point if both players have utilized what the game's professions offer, it depends on who plays better than the other. that is a different story.
All classes can get glider/belt/bomb etc as utilities sure, but that still doesnt mean everything is balanced, you now add what hunters have as a base line foundation, meaning now they have both profession utilities and their basic ones. The odds are still towards the Hunter's favor, 8-10 making it 10-12 is still the exact same. However, at this point if both players have utilized what the game's professions offer, it depends on who plays better than the other. that is a different story.
accel
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^^ Yes. See what I wrote in #70:
https://xpoff.com/threads/hunters-being-sabotaged.96388/page-4#post-1271488
https://xpoff.com/threads/hunters-being-sabotaged.96388/page-4#post-1271488
Nutsmite
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So what you just said is "hunter isn't broken, just kill him"
JadeFire
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Here is what happens in a real game.... hunter does 50% of your hp in about 2 seconds... interrupts you... does the other 50%... I mean people talk about this shit like they actually don't play the game at all. That is EXACTLY what happens... and the shittiest (I mean a sandwich baggy filled with an actual pound of crap) of hunters can do that 100% of the time... it is not "easily countered".
A few Healing classes can get around that if the hunter is not maxed out and has no damage buffs up... but normally not.
Words and talk don't change in game facts. "The sky is lime green"... "well, its blue".... "IT'S LIME GREEN!!!!"
You gotta fake cast 'em!!!! ... 100% works... not versus classes that are doing double damage.
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We just don't need misinformation flying round defending a re-tard class... just let it be, whining is therapeutic.
A few Healing classes can get around that if the hunter is not maxed out and has no damage buffs up... but normally not.
Words and talk don't change in game facts. "The sky is lime green"... "well, its blue".... "IT'S LIME GREEN!!!!"
You gotta fake cast 'em!!!! ... 100% works... not versus classes that are doing double damage.
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We just don't need misinformation flying round defending a re-tard class... just let it be, whining is therapeutic.
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Magrain
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I cant cast Chaos Bolt on them without dying 2-3 times lol
JadeFire
Worthless
Destro locks are actually my favorite class to heal because I know if they survive just for a bit, some random trash hunter is going to suck giant chaos nuts.
Magrain
Veteran
Im thinking my main issue is that I dump everything in Mastery, neglecting haste/verstility. Which hinders my speed in casting and survivability, but seeing Mastery reach above 70% always brings me a smile.
accel
Member
ROFL, totally.
You are hopeless, mate. Getting killed by all hunters, including the worst ones, 100% of the time, with no ways out is hard, I see. Keep whining, I guess. If that has therapeutic value, like you say, by all means.
JadeFire
Worthless
Again, you can say whatever you want... FACT: if a hunter with a bamble staff or an i34 with all BC gem gear +3 agility or similar can't kill you (there are a few healer builds that can possibly survive - or if you have 5000hp it might take 2 globals)... they are pressing the wrong buttons. But, once any average hunter has played 5 games... you can press the right ones even if you are trash. I'm not saying they are making good tactical decisions in a macro sense to win a game... but somebody with 100IQ can figure out how to kill you and anybody else... and they can do it all of the time.... because of simple math.
If you get healed sure, that is an out... but that does not always happen in pugs... and you know it. You say a lot of shit that is obviously false/incorrect... not sure if that is on purpose or just stupidity.
If this is not happening to you, you are a liar. This is not the first day of shadowlands where there is not 5 months of data shitting directly on you... just give it up.
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And to stay on topic... you should still heal everybody.
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Banishedjr
Legend
If u r getting 1v1d and losing to a surv as a healer you should uninstall
JadeFire
Worthless
If you can't burn down a healer with a bramble staff or better with an interrupt up you should uninstall.
accel
Member
Did you try it, mate?
JadeFire
Worthless
We are done, all of your questions have been answered, all of your points have been refuted with facts, all of your information has been presented. You are making things up at this point.
If you or anybody else sucks with a hunter and can't play it properly that is on you. We have all played with the big boy hunters in game, everybody knows that they can do... sorry you are not one of them (I think that is what your real issue is). Any semi decent hunter does not have problems.
If you (or anyone) are struggling with healers or any other bull shit... you are a bad hunter... it's not the other way around or any other made up circumstances... you are bad if you can't manage to play an OP class correctly.
fungchewuchi
Master of the Flying Guillotine
jf is right; accel is wrong.
take a break jf and just let him wrong his wrongy way wrongly.
take a break jf and just let him wrong his wrongy way wrongly.
troublesomesleeper
Veteran
There is a reason some Pugmades focus on shutting down surv hunters, through CC spam/disarm or just full on focus target. According to accel that reason is.........nevermind, he does not use reasons.
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