Goesid
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A few things I want to point out to further explain my position and to distance myself from Merlin because I dont mind giving lessons on xpoff. And to understand what is happening you also need to know why it is happening. To just blindly scream democracy and post Winnie pictures will get you nowhere.
1. Hong kong has a habit of crying wolf and then shooting themselves in the foot. They famously lost out on democracy 5 years ago just like that.
2. The protests are without leadership. This means either they take their marching orders from behind the scenes from an unknown actor, foreign or domestic. Or it cant go anywhere because they cant negoiate and there is nobody to say this is what we get and what not. Instead it creates a feedback loop of insane unrealistic goals that will never be achieved. The latter scenario is more likely and the protests will go on until the protesters get bored and go home or China either shoots the place up or starves them out.
3. China is nationalist whilst Hong Kong is liberal. Its the reason Macao is doing just dandy under 2 systems 1 country and Hong Kong keeps clashing.
3.5 Locke was wrong and Lipset has a poor track record in Asia., liberalism never wins over nationalism or realism and China isnt going democratic.
4. China is a state. States want to survive and states want to dominate their region. China has a rich history and they tend to think long term.
4.5 Some ask why China doesnt just kick back let the Americans do all the wars, jump in to the quagmires while they get rich. The key here is history. In the 13th century they did this, and if you know your 13th century history you know what happend next. (It rimes with Penghis Than.
4.5.5 The 9 dash line. Now why would China adopt such an unrealistic naval policy? Because a long time ago a bunch of countries signed what is called UNCLOS. It basically says you can have this much water the rest is international waters. The US said they were too good for that and made their waters much bigger than the allowed area and refused to sign the treaty.
Because of this the chinese see ignoring the treaty as a power move.
5. Chinas end goal is to be the hegemon is Asia. This puts them on a collision coursewith the US that wants to be a global hegemon. A strategy that has been dubbed Liberal Hegemony.
6. Lets get back to Hong Kong a little. Basically China doesnt care about Hong Kong. All they have to do is not be a shithole and taint the image China wants to project and never mention the word independance.
6.5 But an inherent flaw of liberalism is that you see the world in good states and bad states. Good states can only do go and bad states can only do bad. Which is why everytime China does anything Hong Kong will think their existance is at stake. If you think you are good and the other side is bad you can never see anything from the other side perspective and you will end up at war everytime.
7. Liberalism works fine in a unipolar world. But it can be very dangerous in a multipolar world.
Break is over.
TBC.
1. Hong kong has a habit of crying wolf and then shooting themselves in the foot. They famously lost out on democracy 5 years ago just like that.
2. The protests are without leadership. This means either they take their marching orders from behind the scenes from an unknown actor, foreign or domestic. Or it cant go anywhere because they cant negoiate and there is nobody to say this is what we get and what not. Instead it creates a feedback loop of insane unrealistic goals that will never be achieved. The latter scenario is more likely and the protests will go on until the protesters get bored and go home or China either shoots the place up or starves them out.
3. China is nationalist whilst Hong Kong is liberal. Its the reason Macao is doing just dandy under 2 systems 1 country and Hong Kong keeps clashing.
3.5 Locke was wrong and Lipset has a poor track record in Asia., liberalism never wins over nationalism or realism and China isnt going democratic.
4. China is a state. States want to survive and states want to dominate their region. China has a rich history and they tend to think long term.
4.5 Some ask why China doesnt just kick back let the Americans do all the wars, jump in to the quagmires while they get rich. The key here is history. In the 13th century they did this, and if you know your 13th century history you know what happend next. (It rimes with Penghis Than.
4.5.5 The 9 dash line. Now why would China adopt such an unrealistic naval policy? Because a long time ago a bunch of countries signed what is called UNCLOS. It basically says you can have this much water the rest is international waters. The US said they were too good for that and made their waters much bigger than the allowed area and refused to sign the treaty.
Because of this the chinese see ignoring the treaty as a power move.
5. Chinas end goal is to be the hegemon is Asia. This puts them on a collision coursewith the US that wants to be a global hegemon. A strategy that has been dubbed Liberal Hegemony.
6. Lets get back to Hong Kong a little. Basically China doesnt care about Hong Kong. All they have to do is not be a shithole and taint the image China wants to project and never mention the word independance.
6.5 But an inherent flaw of liberalism is that you see the world in good states and bad states. Good states can only do go and bad states can only do bad. Which is why everytime China does anything Hong Kong will think their existance is at stake. If you think you are good and the other side is bad you can never see anything from the other side perspective and you will end up at war everytime.
7. Liberalism works fine in a unipolar world. But it can be very dangerous in a multipolar world.
Break is over.
TBC.
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