Heals vs Damage (Patch 5.3)

[Fujin0]

hpally vs. rdruid for heals? im guessing druid is super op but how are pallys?

I would say, for serious premade HEALING, the druid is better, simply because you can just Rejuv everyone once and then keep them up with Regrowth/Rejuv as needed, for single-target HEALING, hpalies are better, simply because FoL and HS heal/crit for more.

If you're talking about hybriding with off-DPS; have you heard of Denounce yet? Pewpewpew lazurbeems

 

[CripzBlood]

It's a nice thought to let 1 healer be able to heal through dps but that thought turns into crap when there is multiple healers and dps can't do crap.. If 5.3 makes this lfr queuing thing then this whole problem may get solved but for the past 3ish months it's been overwheling the bracket

I have a feeling that system will be like dungeon finder... Dps´s queing as healers and etc...

 

[Fujin0]

I have a feeling that system will be like dungeon finder... Dps´s queing as healers and etc...

If Blizzard implements it as half-assed as BG-scaling, this will not be restricted by spec (AGAIN). If this tool will make q-times longer for any of the 3 roles, that player will just q as whatever role he sees fit to make his q-times shorter.
Let's face it, the bracket is mostly made out of non-competitive assheads that would do anything for quick honor to get F2P-'epics' (BoAs that is)

 

[SallyG]

I have a feeling that system will be like dungeon finder... Dps´s queing as healers and etc...

I intend to queue as whatever gets me the quickest queue. I sure hope nobody abuses the system...

Owai...

 

[Fujin0]

Also take note that ret will be somewhat fun again 600+ TVs and a regular 234 Judgement. With gear that is. Tested on PTR

PvE or PvP?...

 

[Fujin0]

from what i saw - Dps cant quer as healers i think. Just like in the dungeon system as hunter u cant quer as tank - No worries

Doesn't make a Feral Druid NOT queue as a healer if his q-time will be halved by doing so...

 

[CripzBlood]

not to be a duche but haven't almost all of your posts in the bg scoarboard thread been as a paladin ?

Yes cuz even with MoP alliance still praticly only rolls DPS´s and dont know how to off-heal so i played more protpala(of my 24s).
So i could solo things without having to expect the player next to me to know the basics.

About screenshots i should do the Damage done scores on hunter but i didnt cuz the reason stated above, praticly no1 knows how to off-heal.
It was fun being only one on efc and efc having 4+ healers with him.

Oh being 24 doesnt solves things(it helps), u need a premade if u want to play good bgs.

 

[Fujin0]

Tested in a Duel vs a 24 priest so in a BG with looms it will be more damage and more fun i surpose

Sounds awesome! I'll trust you on this one, don't let me down man!

Could you maybe test enhancement Shaman as well? Would be good to know if the Lava Lash changes make a noticeable difference!

 

[Lil]

Not gonna bother quoting anyone.. If you read this and still think I'm wrong feel free to to quote and I will read whatever kinda counter argument you try to make.

If a healer can WITHSTAND any 1v1 fight fine.. They are healers they should be able to. It's when they can SOLO any 1v1 or 1v2 or even some cases I've seen 1v3 where it becomes a problem. If a healer is only supposed to heal and keep their teammates up and should be unkillable to any 1 class like some people are saying they should be then give their dmg a 100% nerf to make sure they can't just spam dmg 80% of the time and only heal 20%. Have Hpal/Rdruid/D/Hpriest/Rsham ONLY be able to heal. They are healers not hybrids. If we were talking about hybrids I would be able to understand this argument moderately since they should be at the top with good heals and good dmg.. That is how it should be. Healers are NOT how they should be atm. I should never see a healer topping dmg and heals

Dps- great dmg no heals
Hybrids- good dmg good heals
Healers- no dmg great heals

 

[Spiriel]

they should be then give their dmg a 100% nerf to make sure they can't just spam dmg 80% of the time and only heal 20%. Have Hpal/Rdruid/D/Hpriest/Rsham ONLY be able to heal.

Qft. Take all dmg of Denounce and leave it with 1 dmg + debuff and you will see in max. 1h which paladins reckognized for what they should use denounce. I want to be a fucking supporter like I used to be.

For my RestoShaman I dont see a dmg problem here.
Too squishy to stay still and cast, no good dps on instants and no options to get distance after some burst in opposite to priests. RShamans are pretty neat atm when it comes to support/heal.
Priests on the other hand.....

 

[BumBum]

Lets face it 10man holy pala premades are comming xD

 

[Arberian021]

If a healer cannot heal others while getting dpsd BY ONE PERSON then what in the world would the point of a healer be? Do you just want to get rid of the option to heal? The majority of healers in this bracket have no idea what they are doing or don't even heal their teammates in the first place. Everyone complaining is just mad they are having a hard time killing something 1-3v1 and their eyepatches are failing them. Countless bgs have been won where I was vs 6 healers having only 1-3, plenty of efcs have died under 4+ healers watch. If you can get your team to work together you can easily take healers down 1 by 1. Its not healers its bad pugs

I think that u are 100% right a healer must heal the team , thats the reason why they are healers . The healers exist to heal the team . In my point of view healers must be able to survive through 3 DPS and i know that lilhunter thinks a healers must not solo 3 DPS and thats true . As i wrote before healers must be able to survive and not to beat them !!

 

[LennywBT]

Ok Ok , If u all think DPS can SOLO kill a HEALER letme try it With my bro Arberian in PTR!!! ^^

 

[Fujin0]

Dps- great dmg, low/no heals
Hybrids- decent dmg, decent heals
Healers- low/no dmg, great heals

Fixed.

Problem with no heals on DPS and no DPS on healers they would be unable to do PvE questing and also lose a lot of utility. Like SWP for a priest and Flame Shock for an Rshaman, it's fine to have those, they do low dmg and can still keep a rogue from restealthing/add minor pressure. Same for rdruid's moonfire, and an hpaly with only Judgement would be fine as well. I'm aware that rogues don't really use their Recuperate but it's still an ability you can use if you just finished a fight and are low hp with dots on you for example, ferals/boomkins should keep their Rejuvenation as well, but it should be downscaled for them to only say 75% of an rdruid one's. And so on and so forth. 3k FoL crits from a f2p ret is simply insane on that part.

 

[Franciska]

I think that u are 100% right a healer must heal the team , thats the reason why they are healers . The healers exist to heal the team . In my point of view healers must be able to survive through 3 DPS and i know that lilhunter thinks a healers must not solo 3 DPS and thats true . As i wrote before healers must be able to survive and not to beat them !!

Isn't healer survival the main issue and beating dps as a healer the second? Healing should be about positioning and menaging your mana pool. Not getting bashed like a pinata by several people and life through it because you put up a HoT.