Haste "Breakpoints"

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So i bin researching internet for the haste aka breakpoints ( not called breakpoitns anymore , they call it 1/2 dot or somthing like that ) but can NOT find any actual numbers. As of right now im sitting at 49% on my lev 20 ( in BG so scaled up ) and kind of wondering if i actualy waste some of the haste and i could enchant some gear other way ( intel, crit, stamina )

43.02% (108 haste) unbuffed outside of BGs
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Hurricane proc only (50.80% haste)
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Weapon proc + Disc priest buff ( forgot the name ) 70.64%
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I was wrong here in BGs im at 35% ( 38.96% in picture bc of the buff )
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Sorry i give the wrong numbers in BGs didn't mean to do that :confused:
 

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Your dots should be coalesced into partial ticks now, so I believe you may just stack on basis of priority instead of worrying about partial tick breakpoints.

If there is an actual page of math looking at WoD partial tick haste math I would be interested in viewing it, but for what I currently understand you should just be stacking on your priority without worry, as the partial ticks account for partial percentage haste additives.

"In 6.0, the DoT duration will remain exactly the same as the tooltip says with a partial tick coming at the end of the duration. This removes the complication of finding certain Haste thresholds which is nice" - Lockybalboa (one of my favorite afflic locks from my old raiding days)
 
There are no break points. It's partial ticks now.

You take your spell, let's say shadow word: pain for your case, and you look that the number of ticks (with no haste)

In this case its 6 ticks. Now we'll use your 43.02% haste.

6*(1+haste/100)=8.5812

So that's 2 additional full ticks and a partial tick at 58% the value of a normal one.

Also your gcd can't go below 1 sec.

We don't have any hots though. We gear haste to get the heal there before the burst. And for borrowed time.

Stamina/haste/spirit

Ggs with you and the APers. I was Trollyheals.
 
You sure? I tested this on my boomkin by increasing haste and comparing tooltip dmg (dmg on icon of spell) and I found breakpoints at 15 and 25% of haste. Dmg on tooltip was same between 15 and 25%, but when I increased haste to 25%, it jumped up.

EDIT: Was using moonfire
 
smoke said:
So i bin researching internet for the haste aka breakpoints ( not called breakpoitns anymore , they call it 1/2 dot or somthing like that ) but can NOT find any actual numbers. As of right now im sitting at 49% on my lev 20 ( in BG so scaled up ) and kind of wondering if i actualy waste some of the haste and i could enchant some gear other way ( intel, crit, stamina )

43.02% (108 haste) unbuffed outside of BGs
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The thing about haste is the more you stack the less you benefit from it. This is why after a certian amount of haste (30-35%) I try to get some slots with some intellect for bigger heals. Let me elaborate.

0% haste is 1.5 second cast
10% haste is 1.3636 second cast time (0.136 seconds saved)
20% haste is 1.2500 second cast time (0.113 seconds saved from previous)
30% haste is 1.1538 second cast time (0.096 seconds saved from previous)
40% haste is 1.0714 second cast time (0.082 seconds saved from previous)
50% haste is 1.0000 second cast time (0.071 seconds saved from previous)

As you can see the first 10% haste saves nearly double the amount of seconds the last 10% haste does. This cast time will get exponentially smaller, so the more haste you stack the less valueable it is. This is why I stop around 30-35% haste to have a fast cast time but still I can benefit a lot more from stamina/intellect aswell. 49% haste is waaaay too much, you are sacrificing too much stats for a miniscule amount of haste (speed wise)
 
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Yapah said:
The thing about haste is the more you stack the less you benefit from it. This is why after a certian amount of haste (30-35%) I try to get some slots with some intellect for bigger heals. Let me elaborate.

0% haste is 1.5 second cast
10% haste is 1.3636 second cast time (0.136 seconds saved)
20% haste is 1.2500 second cast time (0.113 seconds saved from previous)
30% haste is 1.1538 second cast time (0.096 seconds saved from previous)
40% haste is 1.0714 second cast time (0.082 seconds saved from previous)
50% haste is 1.0000 second cast time (0.071 seconds saved from previous)

As you can see the first 10% haste saves nearly double the amount of seconds the last 10% haste does. This cast time will get exponentially smaller, so the more haste you stack the less valueable it is. This is why I stop around 30-35% haste to have a fast cast time but still I can benefit a lot more from stamina/intellect aswell. 49% haste is waaaay too much, you are sacrificing too much stats for a miniscule amount of haste (speed wise)
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Really nice answer to my question . I was doing full on haste build and I bolive I got that done good (almost 51% in bgs w potion ) now I will focus on good balanced build and stick with that. Just trying to make good disc priest for my fallow veterans to copy it . Thank you so much one more time for this. 1 question - where did u come up with these numbers I will like to read more in to it.
 
smoke said:
Really nice answer to my question . I was doing full on haste build and I bolive I got that done good (almost 51% in bgs w potion ) now I will focus on good balanced build and stick with that. Just trying to make good disc priest for my fallow veterans to copy it . Thank you so much one more time for this. 1 question - where did u come up with these numbers I will like to read more in to it.
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1.5 / 1
1.5 / 1.1
1.5 / 1.2
1.5 / 1.3
1.5 / 1.4
1.5 / 1.5

1.5 is the cast time for flash heal, the number I divide it by is the haste %, so 1.1 would be 10% haste 1.2 would be 20% haste and ect.
 
should i stack haste for an affliction warlock then? or stack something else (yes i know afflict sucks i play it for the lawls)
 
Leek said:
should i stack haste for an affliction warlock then? or stack something else (yes i know afflict sucks i play it for the lawls)
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My understanding is that Demo Locks can do equal if not better DoT spread damage than Affliction Warlocks. Not to mention better survivability, mobility, better single target damage and better CC. And one of the few classes who has burst damage.
The only thing they don't have is, if someone dispels an affliction warlocks dot; they take like 150 damage and get blanket silenced.
 
Is this something new having 43% outside bgs and it gets scaled up to 49% inside bgs? As I understand all the scaling, you will need alot more haste to get the same result as outside bg therefor I believe your scaled number for inside bg is wrong?

I do have the full haste set on my balance druid and it is way lower inside bg then outside. With 43% outside you will get to like 32% inside bg. Well atleast on my druid that is. Isn't that the same for priests?
 
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I will screen shot it and post the exact numbers tonight ( % and value )
 
it depends what item level gear they are. lower item level scales to higher stats so you would get higher % in bgs. although im not sure if there are any low item level gear with haste that scales that high
 
Syrayeda said:
it depends what item level gear they are. lower item level scales to higher stats so you would get higher % in bgs. although im not sure if there are any low item level gear with haste that scales that high
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But you forget that you get scaled up to level 29 and at that level you need more haste to reach the same % as outside bg. He has his priest linked and you can see the gear he uses and there are no low ilvl items if there are even any with haste.
 
leotseddap said:
Is this something new having 43% outside bgs and it gets scaled up to 49% inside bgs? As I understand all the scaling, you will need alot more haste to get the same result as outside bg therefor I believe your scaled number for inside bg is wrong?

I do have the full haste set on my balance druid and it is way lower inside bg then outside. With 43% outside you will get to like 32% inside bg. Well atleast on my druid that is. Isn't that the same for priests?
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i was wrong . Actualy it scaled down what i dont get since im 20. I uploaded some pictures in original ( top) thread
 
Once again I WAS WRONG on the numbers "in BGs" it scaled down. I did post some pictures as proof.
 
leotseddap said:
Meaning you are having a good amount of haste for bg's and in the zone of 30-35 :)

Time to get your elemental force ^^ or w/e you like ofc.
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that is what i will do. Keep stuff same just get my other wepon out of bank w diff enchant.
 
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