Goblin Glider Kits vs Swiftness Potions

[willix]

doesn't say anything about excessive use of consumables.

'Excessive' is a matter of opinion. Also, that definition is old, from the days when there wasn't a world of warcraft.

Very cool, now answer my question; why would you use it if isn't needed because of your apparent skill to adapt your game play?

Rub the Cheeto dust from your eyes. I very clearly stated:

First and foremost, they are tools meant to be used, otherwise they wouldn't be in the game. Secondly, they're fun. Lastly, everyone has access to them.

All very good reasons to use them, despite not needing them and being able to adapt just fine without them.

 

[Srs]

Use of consumables is a lot like freedom of speech. You can do (or say) whatever you want, but you have to be prepared to live with the consequences. I think certain consumables, such as speed potions, have a very detrimental effect on the game, Consumables are like vampires, once you let one in, they're all invited. The best policy is to keep them out entirely.

My suggestion is to not listen to the 29s. They are just jealous that 19s are not 100% trash like their bracket is, and they're trying to drag us down to their level. If you want to spend all day farming and buying consumables, listen to them. Do whatever you that you feel you must, no one can physically stop you.

However, bear in mind that you will be judged. I, for one, consider the use of a speed pot by a FC as a more or less a forfeit for his team. In that in that moment, the FC has made the decision that his team cannot win the game any other way, and that is more important to win by any means, than to do it in a respectable way. It is the ultimate move of desperation, and is unsportsmanlike. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.

 

[Purj]

Fuck it, I use swift pots all the time. I always have. I'll take a cap/return any day.

However, if its not usable in a premade then I wouldn't use it in a premade.

 

[Shaket]

Use of consumables is a lot like freedom of speech. You can do (or say) whatever you want, but you have to be prepared to live with the consequences. I think certain consumables, such as speed potions, have a very detrimental effect on the game, Consumables are like vampires, once you let one in, they're all invited. The best policy is to keep them out entirely.

My suggestion is to not listen to the 29s. They are just jealous that 19s are not 100% trash like their bracket is, and they're trying to drag us down to their level. If you want to spend all day farming and buying consumables, listen to them. Do whatever you that you feel you must, no one can physically stop you.

However, bear in mind that you will be judged. I, for one, consider the use of a speed pot by a FC as a more or less a forfeit for his team. In that in that moment, the FC has made the decision that his team cannot win the game any other way, and that is more important to win by any means, than to do it in a respectable way. It is the ultimate move of desperation, and is unsportsmanlike. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.

The way 19s treat DDoSing makes them 100% trash. Renders the rest of your post pointless.

 

[Srs]

Fuck it, I use swift pots all the time. I always have. I'll take a cap/return any day.

However, if its not usable in a premade then I wouldn't use it in a premade.

I guess that's the thing. If your in a garbage game that's going nowhere, then it really doesn't matter what anyone does. But if you've got a competitive game going, such as a premade, or maybe just a really close match, use of consumables can pretty much ruin it for everyone.

 

[Claspara]

If you use either you suck.
/thread

 

[Srs]

The way 19s treat DDoSing makes them 100% trash. Renders the rest of your post pointless.

DDoS'ing is a gamewide issue, and I'm not so sure that it was ever 19s that were the main culprit of DDoS'ing in the 19s bracket. Some 19s made enemies of 29s over the very issue of consumables, during the time that 19s weren't popping, and many 19s were playing in the 29s bracket. When the 29s were getting pressure to wargame, many didn't want to because you can't use consumables in wargames. It looked to most everyone like a dodge, and those 29s resented the fact it made them look bad. That and the fact that horde couldn't get out of the graveyard for a certain period of time caused bad blood.

I don't have any proof of who did what, but 19s were quick to point fingers at each other when it happened. I'm saying what if it wasn't 19s at all that started it, rather some resentful 29s that were getting back at players who left 29s for the better bracket.

They had the motive.Who's more likely to DDoS? The people arguing for competitive, fair play, or those that use consumables to win at any cost? I don't think it was ever 19s that were the main culprits of the DDoS'ing in the 19s bracket. Rather, just some petty cowards, that were angry at those that who were the cause of them losing face.

 

[Dorigon]

The way 19s treat DDoSing makes them 100% trash. Renders the rest of your post pointless.

I can't post on official forums anymore, but just want to say, you have been acting ilke the biggest baby on there. Let it go.

What can possibly possess a presumably full-grown man to keep up those posts in the thread for weeks on end?

 

[Snack]

So the PTR battles of the past with 200+ players all using consumables is not competitive? You new breed of xp off twinks think it all started with you. PTR battles brought more people to competitive events than the twink cup can hope for.

What? I was just stating that 19's indeed is competetive, which you proved as well, thank you?

For the record im not a 'new breed twink'. And there is no need to make it a 'new twinks vs old twinks' topic. It's all based on opponions, and everyone is entitler to their own, wether they are new or old.

Also I don't think you can compare gliders/speed pots to minor wizard oil etc,; they offer far from the same advantage that speed pots/gliders do.

 

[Achmed]

19's competitive, lol

 

[Srs]

19's competitive, lol

If 19s aren't competitive enough for you, I don't know what else is going to be. 29s is straight garbage. 39 revival hasn't really actualized. I don't think much is going on with 70s anymore. Maybe 90s are active, but I haven't heard anything about them. What else is there?

19s may be the last hope for WoW pvp. I think the majority players in this bracket take more seriously than most endgamers. That is most players come here seeking competitive pvp, whereas it seem endgamers are more than willing to DDoS, win-trade, and pilot to glad. 19s aren't here merely to get a meaningless title, they are here for the pvp.

And that's why we have to set standards for what is, and what is not, seen as competitive, sporting play. You let the scumbags take over, and you end up with a situation like endgame RBGs where cheating is the norm. Don't let the 29s troll you into believing that their way is the true path; it's up to us to keep 19s something exceptional. Consumables are easy to use and easy to get hooked on. Having to rely solely on your classes toolkit to play takes talent, and it's not always easy to succeed. But I implore you for the sake of competition, to stay on the straight and narrow, and not let the bads win.

 

[Achmed]

Neither 19's, 29's, 39's, 70's or 90's are competitive atm mate. Low level pvp is shit cuz Blizzard cba with it.

And no mate majority of the ones playing low lvl are here to boost their e-peen, look at the countless topics of shit around here.

Few people come here for nostalgy twinking was once. Rest are here ... already stated above.

 

[Srs]

Neither 19's, 29's, 39's, 70's or 90's are competitive atm mate. Low level pvp is shit cuz Blizzard cba with it.

And no mate majority of the ones playing low lvl are here to boost their e-peen, look at the countless topics of shit around here.

Few people come here for nostalgy twinking was once. Rest are here ... already stated above.

Well if twinking is dead, then wow pvp is dead, at least for battlegrounds, because I have no faith that endgame RBGs are in a better state than I left them in. And if wow pvp is dead then I don't know what the hell I'm going to do. FPS are mindless. Starcraft is clicking hell. MOBAs are Starcraft for the mentally challenged. Is there anything to replace battleground pvp that once was ruled by Guild Wars and WoW back in the day?

 

[Achmed]

Well if twinking is dead, then wow pvp is dead, at least for battlegrounds, because I have no faith that endgame RBGs are in a better state than I left them in. And if wow pvp is dead then I don't know what the hell I'm going to do. FPS are mindless. Starcraft is clicking hell. MOBAs are Starcraft for the mentally challenged. Is there anything to replace battleground pvp that once was ruled by Guild Wars and WoW back in the day?

WoW PVP doesn't gravitate around twinking. Never was. I don't feel it that way anyways, never felt it that way.

 

[Dorigon]

If 19s aren't competitive enough for you, I don't know what else is going to be. 29s is straight garbage. 39 revival hasn't really actualized. I don't think much is going on with 70s anymore. Maybe 90s are active, but I haven't heard anything about them. What else is there?

19s may be the last hope for WoW pvp. I think the majority players in this bracket take more seriously than most endgamers. That is most players come here seeking competitive pvp, whereas it seem endgamers are more than willing to DDoS, win-trade, and pilot to glad. 19s aren't here merely to get a meaningless title, they are here for the pvp.

And that's why we have to set standards for what is, and what is not, seen as competitive, sporting play. You let the scumbags take over, and you end up with a situation like endgame RBGs where cheating is the norm. Don't let the 29s troll you into believing that their way is the true path; it's up to us to keep 19s something exceptional. Consumables are easy to use and easy to get hooked on. Having to rely solely on your classes toolkit to play takes talent, and it's not always easy to succeed. But I implore you for the sake of competition, to stay on the straight and narrow, and not let the bads win.

Did not read in full, but, you're dealing with a semantics-arguing troll.

 

[Achmed]

Did not read in full, but, you're dealing with a semantics-arguing troll.

Imagine i'm not trolling. Can you?

 

[Srs]

Did not read in full, but, you're dealing with a semantics-arguing troll.

It's ok; I know. I wasn't really talking to him, but to potential readers of the thread, anyway.

 

[Achmed]

So mean and disrispectful. You were't talking to me but you've replied to every thing i've said.

Anyway, you've invented a new thing here, you will be famous soon on the internetz, keep it up

 

[Allybeboba]

My suggestion is to not listen to the 29s. They are just jealous that 19s are not 100% trash like their bracket is, and they're trying to drag us down to their level.

Can you recite some examples of this "100% trash" statement? I bet you can not come up with 10 examples that can not be debunked. Is it the poor starters getting beat up by subs arguement? Wrong... Many, if not most are P2P now. If anything, 20-29's should be better, they obviously get more practice since they get insta pops or near instapops. (This is where you say quality>quantity) Where as other brackets just sit around huffing & puffing and pounding on their chests stating who "da best".
We are all awaiting your list...
Have a nice day.

/salud

 

[Allybeboba]

I guess that's the thing. If your in a garbage game that's going nowhere, then it really doesn't matter what anyone does. But if you've got a competitive game going, such as a premade, or maybe just a really close match, use of consumables can pretty much ruin it for everyone.

But I aren't 19's to be the envy of all twinkdom? They can't have garbage games can they?

Point being, you are using your judgement to judge whether or not it is okay or not to use a consumable.
To me, none of the twink games are "competitive". So by that statement everything is fair game in all twink games. And I feel they are. Because twjnking is not competitive.
(It is strictly for FUN. I suggest you all try it. )
You only have a few abilities. You can barely fill one cast bar. Low skill floor/low skill ceiling at low level.
Have a remarkable day!

/salud