Goblin Glider Kits vs Swiftness Potions

[Fancy]

I think the people who speed pot and glider are scum to say take advantage of the game and somehow magically win it. But if you are bored out of your brains and want to fly around ie fly across mid cause your teams getting farmed, I see nothing wrong with glider.
There is a more serious point though, those scum bag rogues who you speed pots should be freaken banned from this forum and kicked from WSG games by everyone, we don't like you, play your class the way you have to in a premade and the way blizzard intended.
Oh and FFS allybeboba please stop doing /cheers and typing on the forums your give me a headache.

 

[Recluse]

There is a more serious point though, those scum bag rogues who you speed pots should be freaken banned

U srys?

 

[willix]

If you can so easily adapt your gameplay to 'not miss a beat', why do you even use them in the forst place?

First and foremost, they are tools meant to be used, otherwise they wouldn't be in the game. Secondly, they're fun. Lastly, everyone has access to them. Why would you limit yourself by not using them?

When did we become a group of sissies who complain about people doing what the game allows them to do? You're not a twink if your mindset is to avoid using something you have access to. Especially items that anyone can use regardless of profession.

 

[Allybeboba]

I think the people who speed pot and glider are scum
There is a more serious point though, those scum bag rogues who you speed pots should be freaken banned from this forum and kicked from WSG games by everyone.

Now why would you state those things? They are merely using an item that was put in the game no more than you are using an item in the game.
Is someone that grabs the speed boost "scum"? Or a player that grabs berserker, should they be banned? What about the player that runs into the healing hut to heal themselves to full? Are they to be "kicked from WSG"?
All of those items, as well as consumables were put in WoW for players to use.
Next thing someone is going to complain about, is that we are actually using class abilities. How not fair!
Ever back to topic...
As I stated before, as have other vanilla twinkers. There is no difference between the two. Use 'em if em got 'em.
Can't stand the heat then get out of the fire.
Have a marvelous day!

/salud

 

[Snack]

First and foremost, they are tools meant to be used, otherwise they wouldn't be in the game. Secondly, they're fun. Lastly, everyone has access to them. Why would you limit yourself by not using them?

When did we become a group of sissies who complain about people doing what the game allows them to do? You're not a twink if your mindset is to avoid using something you have access to. Especially items that anyone can use regardless of profession.

Very cool, now answer my question; why would you use it if isn't needed because of your apparent skill to adapt your game play?

Why are they or any other consumable deemed "crutching"?
When an ability that a class/race has can do the same thing.
If there was an engineering item that allowed you to blink forard would that be "crutching" or one that polymorphed without a CD?
We are talking about items that EVERYONE has access to. And items that EVERYONE can use.

People are straying away from the ideals of what twinking really is. You use what is the absolute best for you, ideally if it is meant for higher level characters. Because then it is overwhelmingly powerful for a low level toon
/cheers

Who are you to define what twinking is? It's all cool if twinking for you is bulking up OP gear and consumeables to steamroll f2ps. For me it is gathering the best possible gear, and fight against equally geared enemies. Without consumeables. To test your skill and abilities to play your character. Not your ability to pop a speed pot or a glider when your position is awful.

We did not invent twinks to be "competitive". They we invented to steamroll. Am I right Willix and Conq?
If you truly want long term "competition", I suggest you move on up to end game. You will never find it in a twink bracket. Now, if you want fun, stay down here. That is why I play.
Have marvelous day!

Originally twinks were intevented to farm n00bs, you are right. But after exp off/on hit, twinking has sought to be competetive. And have succeeded imo. 19 wargames are really competetive, and is consumables allowed there? No.

 

[Phishing]

Why is it okay to use a glider, but not a swiftness potion?

the fact that people argue over consumables is a joke to be honest; if you want to use goblin gliders or swiftness potions in pubs, feel free. (also feel free to ignore any retard who tells you otherwise).

 

[Allybeboba]

Who are you to define what twinking is? It's all cool if twinking for you is bulking up OP gear and consumeables to steamroll f2ps. For me it is gathering the best possible gear, and fight against equally geared enemies. Without consumeables. To test your skill and abilities to play your character. Not your ability to pop a speed pot or a glider when your position is awful.


Originally twinks were intevented to farm n00bs, you are right. But after exp off/on hit, twinking has sought to be competetive. And have succeeded imo. 19 wargames are really competetive, and is consumables allowed there? No.

Unlike you, I answer questions when asked of me. Twinks are defined not by me but by the community. And I am part of that community.
Twink - Wowpedia - Your wiki guide to the World of Warcraft
Last I checked the items we are discussing are just that, " items".
19's (or any bracket) will never be competitive. Not as long as we have FotM rollers and lack of heals. Anyone that thinks otherwise is living in a fantasyland.
How many of those Wargames do you actually have a week? A month?

If you want "real" PvP move on up to end game. I am sure the extra buttons can not be that hard to learn.

Ever back to topic...
Gliders are pretty awesome for making an assault on BS!
Have a marvelous day!

/salud

 

[Clutch]

First and foremost, they are tools meant to be used, otherwise they wouldn't be in the game. Secondly, they're fun. Lastly, everyone has access to them. Why would you limit yourself by not using them?

When did we become a group of sissies who complain about people doing what the game allows them to do? You're not a twink if your mindset is to avoid using something you have access to. Especially items that anyone can use regardless of profession.

i think in general over the last 3-4 years twinking has changed so much... originally back in Vanilla, tbc and wotlk it was about crutching on everything and steamrolling scrubs (this was back before XP - off bgs..) but since the introduction of XP off bgs twinking has essentially become a playground for those that dont want to put the effort in or cba @ endgame gameplay. since it takes like a day to make a bis or competitive toon.

people just want to play the game on a fair playing field. but twinking is about MAXIMISING your toon, getting the best stats possible..the best buffs possible.. the hardest rep grinds.. the hardest tabards etc etc etc.. or well it used to be.. now it just seems a bunch of cry babys come to the forums every 2 mins and scream at each other lol

 

[Rusks]

Speed pots and gliders are okay to beat your team to the zerker hut

 

[Epichealtime]

Stupid statement using them is basically only hurting yourself because in wargames none of those things are viable and cannot be used so when you use them now you are unrealistically practicing for wargames, so why practice at all if its not really going to benefit you?

cause I play my games to win regardless of the venue

 

[Snack]

Unlike you, I answer questions when asked of me. Twinks are defined not by me but by the community. And I am part of that community.
Twink - Wowpedia - Your wiki guide to the World of Warcraft
Last I checked the items we are discussing are just that, " items".
19's (or any bracket) will never be competitive. Not as long as we have FotM rollers and lack of heals. Anyone that thinks otherwise is living in a fantasyland.
How many of those Wargames do you actually have a week? A month?

If you want "real" PvP move on up to end game. I am sure the extra buttons can not be that hard to learn.

Ever back to topic...
Gliders are pretty awesome for making an assault on BS!
Have a marvelous day!

/salud

What questions are you referring to that I havn't answered? Also it was willix that I was looking for an answer from.

But good link, here is what I saw

Twinks are player characters below the level cap who have gained the best powerful gear for their level with enhancements such as expensive weapon enchants, leg patches and BoE/BoP greens, blues or epics

doesn't say anything about excessive use of consumables.


And my guild plays wargames around 2-3 times a week, and we are far from one of the most active guilds. So pls... And you can't have missed the whole Twink Cup hype? That is a sign of an active and competetive bracket. I'd say the 10-19 bracket is the most competetive twink bracket, perhaps 70's too.

 

[Zeiren]

some of you are really ignorant.

consumables have been used since the dawn of twinking. if you haven't been aware of this then you definitely haven't been around the block.

twinking really has been defined as one who obtains the best possible advantage in the field, in terms of gear, consumables, etc. from Dirtybishop farming reputation obtaining the skyguard trinket, to the 700 hp mining bug, to the naxx shoulders, the bug where you could obtain the second tier talent and risk being banned, to people rolling gnome for the bomb that can be cast while moving from engineering, to the ability to get that trinket from a garrison for the insane versatility buff, and even as far as the extend to leveling and being deleveled to obtain mounts and crippling poison. this is a short list of very many circumstances in which twinks paid a great deal in order to achieve an advantage in the player field.

from swiftness potions and magic dust in the 19s bracket, to free action potions and iron grenades in the 29s bracket, and to the fel iron grenades and arcane bombs of the 39s bracket.

all of these consumables have been widely controversial consumables throughout the decade of twinking. these items still remain in use by twinks and is still clearly a controversial issue in the bracket. one things for sure, the use of these consumables will never change, no matter how many forum posts and threads are made. you may continue to voice your concerns but those that enjoy the advantage will continue to use them.

some frown upon the use of consumables and some even say you are 'scum for using them', well let me ask you this. did you ever use rumsey rum? did you go out of your way to go to nagrand to get the superior rumsey rum?do you use minor wizard oil? runecloth bandages? mana potions? elixirs? food buffs now that rumsey rum is gone? sharpening stones? battle standards? miscellaneous food buffs from events? stone statues?

oh but they aren't the same? they're all consumables right? you're using them as an advantage in the field, right? everyone can obtain these items in the game. what makes them any different from the other items that other players use? oh, because they aren't as much of an advantage? please, give me a break.

 

[Zeiren]

also if you have or still do use any of those consumables in that long list and you're against the use of them, then ..you're a hypocite.

and the fact that people keep comparing pug battlegrounds to wargames to justify the use of consumables, ... smh.

 

[Tollo]

You may not like it, but the rules allow it. You can choose to boycott but that doesn't give you a right to decide another person's actions that fall within the rules.

 

[Allybeboba]

Finally, a couple people speaking some sense.
The same type of people complaining about the consumables use are the same that complain about the game being "dumbed down" then turn around and bitch when the rep grind is too long for something they want.
They thrive on whining and complaining. They live for it. They feed on it.


Ever back on topic...
It is not if speed pots do not have a CD. Or even a shared CD with many other consumables.
Have a marvelous afternoon.

/salud

 

[Pvv]

Originally twinks were intevented to farm n00bs, you are right. But after exp off/on hit, twinking has sought to be competetive. And have succeeded imo. 19 wargames are really competetive, and is consumables allowed there? No.

So the PTR battles of the past with 200+ players all using consumables is not competitive? You new breed of xp off twinks think it all started with you. PTR battles brought more people to competitive events than the twink cup can hope for.

 

[clarification]

So the PTR battles of the past with 200+ players all using consumables is not competitive? You new breed of xp off twinks think it all started with you. PTR battles brought more people to competitive events than the twink cup can hope for.

And you "old breed" of twinks think it is still WotLK.

 

[Allybeboba]

It would be awesome if there was a WoD version of nitroboosts simular to the glider. You could glide all the way to GM! Or maybe ST/Farm.
Have a marvelous afternoon.

/salud

 

[Jetlife]

some of you are really ignorant.

consumables have been used since the dawn of twinking. if you haven't been aware of this then you definitely haven't been around the block.

twinking really has been defined as one who obtains the best possible advantage in the field, in terms of gear, consumables, etc. from Dirtybishop farming reputation obtaining the skyguard trinket, to the 700 hp mining bug, to the naxx shoulders, the bug where you could obtain the second tier talent and risk being banned, to people rolling gnome for the bomb that can be cast while moving from engineering, to the ability to get that trinket from a garrison for the insane versatility buff, and even as far as the extend to leveling and being deleveled to obtain mounts and crippling poison. this is a short list of very many circumstances in which twinks paid a great deal in order to achieve an advantage in the player field.

from swiftness potions and magic dust in the 19s bracket, to free action potions and iron grenades in the 29s bracket, and to the fel iron grenades and arcane bombs of the 39s bracket.

all of these consumables have been widely controversial consumables throughout the decade of twinking. these items still remain in use by twinks and is still clearly a controversial issue in the bracket. one things for sure, the use of these consumables will never change, no matter how many forum posts and threads are made. you may continue to voice your concerns but those that enjoy the advantage will continue to use them.

some frown upon the use of consumables and some even say you are 'scum for using them', well let me ask you this. did you ever use rumsey rum? did you go out of your way to go to nagrand to get the superior rumsey rum?do you use minor wizard oil? runecloth bandages? mana potions? elixirs? food buffs now that rumsey rum is gone? sharpening stones? battle standards? miscellaneous food buffs from events? stone statues?

oh but they aren't the same? they're all consumables right? you're using them as an advantage in the field, right? everyone can obtain these items in the game. what makes them any different from the other items that other players use? oh, because they aren't as much of an advantage? please, give me a break.

good post.......

nice to read since i take so much heat for swift potting when im solo queing on rogue randomly lately more than usual

 

[Allybeboba]

If using consumables, gear and enchanting is considered "crutching" in today's world of twinking then I must be the cructchiest crutch that ever crutched a crutch!
Have a nice day

/cheers